Gary 'the ears' Lineker is a prick - discuss

[r-u-s-x]

I just speaking in terms of their political strategy. They seem to think they're making the tea party gambit of riling up the morons but it was never going to work.

This gets anti-tory voters (including me) to turn out more than it does to get tory voters to turn out.

We're in the post-trump, post-brexit world where people on the left are not nearly as apathetic.

The very anti tory are turning out anyway this is for the traditional tories who have turned on them but can be persuaded by the fact "they don't even know what a woman is" etc.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Honestly you talk a load of shit.

The last attacks on asylum centres happened because someone in one of those asylum centres was trying to get a 13 year old girl to have sex with them.

You really are full of self righteous faaaart.

Watch CNN much?

The one before that in Kent what about that . The far right having a march against asylum seekers last weekend
Well I have kept it civil with you , clearly you can’t do the same

I have zero interest in debating with people who can’t be civil , let’s call it a day

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

The one before that in Kent what about that . The far right having a march against asylum seekers last weekend
Well I have kept it civil with you , clearly you can’t do the same

I have zero interest in debating with people who can’t be civil , let’s call it a day

I despise the far right and far left, both equally as disgusting and hateful.

The only difference is one side on the far right is violent and racist/fascist and let's the world know its hateful idealisms.

The other side on the left is also violent and racist/fascist but likes to tell the world its soft and cuddly and hides behind the other sides ugliness.

They're both cunts and the world would be a better place without them all

 

[StevenPL]

People on this forum are so confidently ignorant. They must live in echo chambers even outside of internet forums.

I'm a Bangaldeshi immigrant, I spent my early childhood there, and have been back a few times. I guarantee you that nearly every one of the 170m people would come here if given the opportunity. My family gets constant subtle and not so subtle hints about how we should bring others over. Jealousy from family back home is a real thing for British-Bangladeshis.

Not only do they have the impression that the UK is rich, but they often believe British people are super duper smart, the streets are basically paved with gold and there's no such thing as crime or poverty. Many people who come here to work as taxi drivers, cooks etc. embellish the wealth and success they had here for obvious reasons.

Just between India, Bangladesh and Pakistan you can find close to a billion willing to move here.

I befriended a Syrian refugee at Uni, and the only reason the rest of his family wasn't here is because they couldn't all get residence, so he sometimes has to visit an EU country to see some of them. There are a LOT of people who would come here if given the chance.

We live in a world of immigration and the UK is the ultimate immigration nation and has been for centuries, frankly I think it's utterly great that we can emigrate and have no qualms about those who wish to immigrate here (my family my wife..). Ironically I emigrated a few years ago, why did I travel abroad - to make more money and try a different life - why did I come back, well lots of reasons in all honesty. I was not escaping poverty when I left but there was a significant increase in earnings to allow my family that better life, coming back was with mixed feelings...but ignor the weather aint to bad.

The fact is the UK needs more people and more than ever, and provided people are happy to come to work and ain't criminals we should encourage those who can make our society a bette place, simply because they can! I also have no qualms about stopping people drowning.

 

[Bazali]

Breaverman is definitely not an honest actor in all this. She has no intention of curbing immigration or fixing the refugee crisis. It is, as you said, just inflamatory rhetoric designed to rile up the tory voter base.

However, the left and mainstream political discourse is also firmly entrenched in a strong pro-immigration stance, and often only because it's seen to be the right thing and it pisses off the "gammon". For instance, they are unwilling to accept that France is doing to us what Turkey is doing to Greece, and what Greece does to the rest of Europe. If they manage to get in, move them onward toward their destination asap. There are "charities" literally ferrying these people across the med and english channel.

We've had Songatte and Songatte 2, then the jungle. It's not getting better, and it never will because the push factors driving these people into Europe will only get worse. Even if we streamline the refugee intake process, it won't make a difference, the demand is essentially infinite. If the barrier to entry is reduced then more people will start popping up in Calais.

To be helped by bleeding hearts like Care4Calais

 

[Bazali]

The one before that in Kent what about that . The far right having a march against asylum seekers last weekend
Well I have kept it civil with you , clearly you can’t do the same

I have zero interest in debating with people who can’t be civil , let’s call it a day

That’s people who present arguments that you can’t answer you mean!

Champagne Socialist right enough!!

 

[StevenPL]

I think you have both made valid points TBF . My billions comment initially was defensive against Braverman‘s rhetoric trying to stir up immigrant hatred by trying to keep the invasion type talk going . I think it is both unhelpful and very dangerous. I have no issue with accepting yours and StevenPL comments on numbers when reflecting on it . Not to proud to admit it if I have said something wrong or crass

However I think her intention is to cause division by implying that they are all going to come here , which is as I said dangerous rhetoric , especially sitting alongside words such as invasion

Suppose it comes down to your perspective. I hate the boats because I was in Australia when the Xmas island tragedy happend. I saw the videos on the news, unlike in Europe there was not the shocking image of a dead child on the shore but the video of the boat smashing against rocks and the people drowning. I'm still shocked when thinking about it. The Aussies acted quickly with their ban, it shocked the world, was called racist but... It stopped the boats (and they admitted they had no idea how many people had died in those seas over the years) and... they did not ban refugees or asylum seekers or stop people emigrating to Australia ... so not sure about the whole racist policy thing. I'm pretty sure the wording was anyone arriving by boat illegally and not focussed on a group or race. (can't say I agreed with where they put the people who came though, but it worked)

At the same time some of my family, my wife, some friends etc are, have been or are the children of immigrants. I worked all over the world as an immigrant with my skillset which has helped improve those places. I have also spent years working to an extent in and reading economics and the one immutable truth about immigration is that it improves countries. You get skillsets, labour and resource, initiative and desire on tap when you need it and generally from people who are hard working, honest and trustworthy.

So yes I'd ban boats to stop people dying and criminals coming unchecked - but I'd provide safer routes and seek to open up more visas and make gaining citizenship easier.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Suppose it comes down to your perspective. I hate the boats because I was in Australia when the Xmas island tragedy happend. I saw the videos on the news, unlike in Europe there was not the shocking image of a dead child on the shore but the video of the boat smashing against rocks and the people drowning. I'm still shocked when thinking about it. The Aussies acted quickly with their ban, it shocked the world, was called racist but... It stopped the boats (and they admitted they had no idea how many people had died in those seas over the years) and... they did not ban refugees or asylum seekers or stop people emigrating to Australia ... so not sure about the whole racist policy thing. I'm pretty sure the wording was anyone arriving by boat illegally and not focussed on a group or race. (can't say I agreed with where they put the people who came though, but it worked)

At the same time some of my family, my wife, some friends etc are, have been or are the children of immigrants. I worked all over the world as an immigrant with my skillset which has helped improve those places. I have also spent years working to an extent in and reading economics and the one immutable truth about immigration is that it improves countries. You get skillsets, labour and resource, initiative and desire on tap when you need it and generally from people who are hard working, honest and trustworthy.

So yes I'd ban boats to stop people dying and criminals coming unchecked - but I'd provide safer routes and seek to open up more visas and make gaining citizenship easier.

That is the point , I would much prefer safer routes , people who spout the anti immigration rhetoric of Braverman have no desire to provide those alternative routes in my opinion. It is patently obvious those routes do not exist for most people or they would not give their life savings to traffickers and risk such a hazardous crossing . Shameful behaviour by our country , May began it with her hostile environment BS and the language has got progressively worse since then from our government.

I also fully believe as a country who was a major contributor to the increased migration crisis we should not be trying to pull up the ladder and say , effectively, Europe this is your problem, you are safe countries , you keep them. We have a duty to take our share same as everyone else in Europe and not demonise them , otherwise when they arrive public opinion has been turned on them.. Instead we should be talking about the positive impact they have had on our country.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Back to Lineker does anyone think if he had said , I like this Rwanda idea, or , I like the things Braverman is saying the government would be demanding he was impartial as a MOTD presenter . Absolute joke all this outrage

 

[Samisspurs]

Back to Lineker does anyone think if he had said , I like this Rwanda idea, or , I like the things Braverman is saying the government would be demanding he was impartial as a MOTD presenter . Absolute joke all this outrage

Probably, but he would get shit from the woke crowd which would amount to the same thing. He would also loose his luvvie BBC job pretty sharpish too.

 

[Samisspurs]

 

[Deleted member 15314]

That is the point , I would much prefer safer routes , people who spout the anti immigration rhetoric of Braverman have no desire to provide those alternative routes in my opinion. It is patently obvious those routes do not exist for most people or they would not give their life savings to traffickers and risk such a hazardous crossing . Shameful behaviour by our country , May began it with her hostile environment BS and the language has got progressively worse since then from our government.

I also fully believe as a country who was a major contributor to the increased migration crisis we should not be trying to pull up the ladder and say , effectively, Europe this is your problem, you are safe countries , you keep them. We have a duty to take our share same as everyone else in Europe and not demonise them , otherwise when they arrive public opinion has been turned on them.. Instead we should be talking about the positive impact they have had on our country.

We take roughly half a million new people every year. I reckon we're doing our fair share.

Also, unlike most of Europe we are very desnsely populated. Our rivers, agricultural land, urban centres, etc all are bursting at the seams. We are in desperate need of rewilding and moving away from intensive agriculture, especially animal farming, not adding more people and therefore increasing demand.

 

[Paul Gascoigne]

Brilliant post. Should be appreciated more.

 

[Bazali]

But; for sure, in this moment I must collect my 384k per week salary in a wheelbarrow from Mr Levy.

Conte is only doing to Levy what Levy and ENIC have done to Spurs supporters since 2001.

One mercenary is robbing another mercenary.

We have to watch it unfolding.

I bet Levy wishes he had stuck with a sincere and genuine man like Martin Jol now.

He sacked Jol at Half time but he is too tight to sack Conte because he knows it will cost him a fortune.

Not qualifying for CL will cost a bit too if we persist with this fraud

 

[FOK]

Anyone making light of the holocaust on twitter gets into shit, regardless of how famous they are.

You just can't use such an important subject to make a political point.

I don’t think he was making light of the holocaust or at least I don’t think that was his intention, he’s trying to highlight how awful it is to turn the boats away for these asylum seekers.

 

[lovinit]

Can't remember the last time I was in Milton Keynes

Me neither. What a party that was.

 

[scott]

Well I am glad you’re all in agreement on linkers point of view & it hasn’t divided you or caused any ill feeling.

 

[Bazali]

Well I am glad you’re all in agreement on linkers point of view & it hasn’t divided you or caused any ill feeling.

On here?

Never!

Who can forget the memorable cunt off a few years ago over whether the next Dr Who should be female?
LOL

 

[LLB Part Deux]

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

On here?

Never!

Who can forget the memorable cunt off a few years ago over whether the next Dr Who should be female?
LOL

They missed a trick there. Should have just cast another man in the role and said he was female.