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Ex-Spurs Player Giovani Lo Celso

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Airfixx said:
LOL....

No-one expected him to be this much of a bust; but he was clearly a HG-quota signing and most thought it was a bad career move for him at the time.

(When Pepe signed Rodri he said something to the effect that "he'll be the best player in the world in his position"....... Pep signs Phillips and called him fat!!!!)



LOL.... The posts shuffle once more.


Who are all these players that Spurs signed who they expected to be nothing more than dead-end bench-riders anyway?

Richy is the only one that immediately sprang to mind in recent (Paratici) time and he cost 60m quid!!!



No.... Of course not. Da fuck you even doing at this point?????

I originally asked why the vast majority of other clubs don't have a 'Kane' sat on the bench? (Because of the twatty 'only Spurs don't do things like that' rhetoric that had already been claimed)

YOU implied a significant number do.
YOU mentioned budget being the reason.
YOU mentioned not signing mere squad players.

Evans is an example of a richer, more spendy club signing an over the hill player as squad player.

It's part of a successful rebuttal (much like most of the above that you've had no successful counter-argument to).
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So many words, so little substance.

We need to get you an editor.

Boils down to the fact that we need to be signing x2 starting 11 quality players in most positions.

GK you sign a back up.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Ahhhhhh fuckkk this shit already???

He is an attacking midfielder who cost 48 mil EUR. He is not done even 5% yet to be proven consistent-quality EPL player.

Very-very-very early to come out with "I TOLD YOU SO"'s .

Also, for every player that fans did not believe in and who manage to turn it around, there are 20 about whom they are right, highlighting 2 or 3 outliers from 10+ year period- it is not proving anything except limited brain capacity.

Once more - two games he has been good. And trend is moving in very positive direction. It would be so useful and benefital for us if he could keep this up over prolonged period of time. But will he? Only time can tell.

Let's go game by game and hope that he can keep doing all this and be valuable team member going forward.
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All you'd have to have done is watch the guy play for Villarreal or Argentina over the last few years to have known he's a good footballer. For many reasons he hasn't really done much in a Spurs shirt, the criticism of him lacked nuance.
 
Doc said:
All you'd have to have done is watch the guy play for Villarreal or Argentina over the last few years to have known he's a good footballer. For many reasons he hasn't really done much in a Spurs shirt, the criticism of him lacked nuance.
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100% but Not reasons IMHO - One reason - Injury. Hopefully stays fit and silences his haters - on both this thread and out there in wider world.
 
Richard Arlison said:
So many words, so little substance.

We need to get you an editor.

Boils down to the fact that we need to be signing x2 starting 11 quality players in most positions.

GK you sign a back up.
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No-ones doubting the utopia, but all your brevity does is bring this all back to my original question:


Why do most clubs struggle to achieve this even with bigger budgets?
 
SpursDNA said:
100% but Not reasons IMHO - One reason - Injury. Hopefully stays healthy and silences his haters - on both this thread and out there in wider world.
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Ah, to be fair, injury or not I don't think he was a fit for Conte's 3-4-3. But yeah, 90% injury. If he can put muscle injuries behind him he's a good player for our style now
 
Airfixx said:
No-ones doubting the utopia, but all your brevity does is bring this all back to my original question:


Why do most clubs struggle to achieve this even with bigger budgets?
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Because it’s not easy to get transfers right and the dynamics of a team usually means one player wins the battle for playing time.

That doesn’t mean you intentionally sign outfield players worse than what you have so they will accept being on the bench.
 
Doc said:
All you'd have to have done is watch the guy play for Villarreal or Argentina over the last few years to have known he's a good footballer. For many reasons he hasn't really done much in a Spurs shirt, the criticism of him lacked nuance.
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I could not care any less about Villareal or Argentina NT.

I care about performances for Spurs. Soldado was destroying goal-nets in Spain.
In Spurs shirt he was awful.

Ah, but I don't want to go into GLC negatives. Even after being very critical of him, I'd rather focus on positives right now and hope for it to continue. Though this "lacked nuance" is something I 100% disagree. I ( and I believe many others ) brought out fundamental issues about his play. I now hope this can be over-written with positives and being proven wrong.
 
SpursDNA said:
No let’s keep piling on him and calling him shite until we’re satisfied he’s good enuf. Much more fun than supporting one of our players.
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If you'd have more braincells then 2 (out of whom one would be an extreme optimist and other full-on pessimist), then maybe you'd understand that there is middle ground.

That would be admitting he has been good and useful for us in past 2 games.
BUT not making some long-term conclusions and starting to shout about being right on him while he is still very much in process of proving himself.
 
Richard Arlison said:
So many words, so little substance.

We need to get you an editor.

Boils down to the fact that we need to be signing x2 starting 11 quality players in most positions.

GK you sign a back up.
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My statement got his whole debate started so I suppose I should reply.

LoCelso’s current form has me hopeful that we can stay in the Top 4 race until Madders (and VdV) are back.

So my reply to your post is that when fit, I believe that LoCelso is a starting 11 quality player - Not Madders level but definitely starting 11 quality - now let’s all hope he stays fit.
 
needs to stay fit and healthy now. hes growing into it finally. we needed something like this to happen with all the bad luck with injuries.

looking forward to west ham now. hopefully gio continues this run.
 
Lot of back and forth on GLC, his history, and a lot of “I told you so” going on in here.

Can we all just agree it’s been great to see him performing as he has over the last 2 games, and pray for more of this and some injury luck?
 
SpursDNA said:
My statement got his whole debate started so I suppose I should reply.

LoCelso’s current form has me hopeful that we can stay in the Top 4 race until Madders (and VdV) are back.

So my reply to your post is that when fit, I believe that LoCelso is a starting 11 quality player - Not Madders level but definitely starting 11 quality - now let’s all hope he stays fit.
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I agree with all that.

Lo Celso was signed to be a starting 11 player and for various circumstantial reasons at Spurs he ha syet to be. The fact that he has that quality and also the B2B ability to play with Maddison makes him a dream squad player. as long as we can keep him fit and he doesn't decide he'd prefer to be in Barca.
 
TheSpurEst said:
If you'd have more braincells then 2 (out of whom one would be an extreme optimist and other full-on pessimist), then maybe you'd understand that there is middle ground.

That would be admitting he has been good and useful for us in past 2 games.
BUT not making some long-term conclusions and starting to shout about being right on him while he is still very much in process of proving himself.
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That’s not what a lot of posters do to our players who are out of form/injured - even Sonny last year - who you would think would have earned some more respect after his years of great service to the club. Sonny had his character questioned/called a coward because he wasn’t playing as a world class holding MF per Cvnte’s instructions (with a sports hernia no less). If you’re not one of these idiots then the post wasn’t directed at you. Apologies if it seemed to be.

I’m all for giving Ndombele serious stick for being lazy or Levy/ENIC for their myriad of sins - but I don’t understand “fans” who give injured players - or out of form players fighting hard for the shirt - venomous stick.
 
The Locelso revisionism is stunning he has been shit, crap for probably 95% of his time at the club. Picking up wages under completely bogus circumstances.Just like Ndombele, iffy commitment flashes of
talent undermined by long stretches of near invisibility. Now he's made a solid and good contribution to TWO whole matches he some how vindicated he isn't! He has to keep effecting games big games, goals and assists little man ( the cunting off of the Norwegian was also 👌by the way). But there's folk here going way to early on he's always been brilliant! WTF bogus narrative or what! like Ndombele our third record signing has been a massive let down. Fans did not just get up and hate them( LOL I told my gooner ex boss he was going to be better than Kevin D B!!!!) I was buzzing when Crocket and Tubbs signed well Tubbs is making out with a bucket of Rocky road somewhere in Anatolia and Crocket at last seems like he has flickered to life, till Maddison returns I hope to God he keeps going....but we've been here before. Our fan base is just odd. They Locelso and Ndombele wrote their stories we didn't just decide to shit on them we invest huge belife in these two :here's the joke James Maddison I DID DISLIKE!! But in the empirical evidence of the blokes genius week after week like any sane person I got down the club shop got his shirt and went to the Tattoo parlour ( love you James). That's how being a fan works not the Ndombele Locelso way round
 
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