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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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We could not have even imagined winning without Kane.
Try to win without Kane or lose. I thought we had a very good chance at the former. Spurs chose to lose.
We didn’t imagine knocking Ajax out in the semi but we did
Without Kane
In terms of the way we were setup, I thought we did okay. Liverpool didn't expose us much, and we were able to carve out a few decent situations of our own.
He got his substitutions wrong, and some of his team selection was questionable. But I don't think we were tactically inept or anything.
Poch wilted and started Kane. He had too much respect for one or two things he really did not need to on that CL final
He did well in one area. As a manager you're expected to deal with far more than just tactics.
Abysmal is harsh, but you're entitled to that appraisal.
Yeah that's fair. I do agree he shouldn't have started. That Liverpool team were/are so good that we couldn't afford to give them such an early gift.
Being in Ireland, I was just about the only spurs supporter in the pub, I don't like being reminded of that day
If Kane starts today I think he will have his best game of the season for us or we will start to have to seriously worry.
Today is quite significant for him I feel.
As long as win however is all that matters.
Today is quite significant for him I feel.
As long as win however is all that matters.
Not a huge risk when you are outmanned and outflanked by a superior opponent which Liverpool was and has been since Klopp's arrival. Instead we served them up exactly what they were expecting. And we got what we've mostly gotten from them...but the one time we dusted them we long-balled them to death...and flip-flopped Aurier on Salah. What i'm saying is tactical wrinkles. You can alway go back to how you typically play but if you start that way you lose the element of surprise. We've done it to them and it worked fabulously. Hard to argue against empirical data.
Round these parts if a coach/manager did that (ie did the same ol' same ol' to a team that handled them easily all season only to trot out the same old shit in the big game and expect a different result) they would be fired.
Guardiola tinkering doesn't wash because he is NEVER at a personnel disadvantage so no real reason to look for too great a tactical change to get the upper hand. We were the very clear underdog and needed a wrinkle.
He wouldn't have been there for HIS goals. Sonny and Lucas buzzing off his knockdowns pins TAA and Robertson back. But it's their speed and dynamism that causes the problems. Llorente just gives the CBs something to think about unlike the ragdoll that Harry played that game.
Know the video. You should show one where VVD is wiping his shoes with him in that CL final. Those images are longer-lasting in my mind.
I stand corrected. Nuanced indeed.
Yes I still have it recorded and torment myself with it occasionally!Yeah that's fair. I do agree he shouldn't have started. That Liverpool team were/are so good that we couldn't afford to give them such an early gift.
Being in Ireland, I was just about the only spurs supporter in the pub, I don't like being reminded of that day
The Dippers were a good side but didn’t really show up on the night and with a decent line up we could have taken them!
Sorry but I’m struggling to recall what he did well that night and the preceding few months since Xmas that year
He’d had enough and Levy should have sacked him that summer
todd1882
The main reason we didn't play this way was (as I've stated earlier) Pochettino clearly had a very close relationship with Kane, and when available felt he needed to play him. I imagine he was aware of the potential tactical advantage you've mentioned, but his attachment to the player meant he had, perhaps unjustified, faith in his ability to cause different problems.
It's a shame. Llorente was a severely under utilised weapon in his time at Spurs overall. We deployed him off the bench against Ajax and he had a fantastic impact, but aside from that we barely used him at all. Perhaps because some modern coaches are reluctant to go direct in such a way, but more likely because whilst Kane starts, Llorente doesn't really have a place.
I'm still not fully convined of how much success Llorente would've had up against Van Djik/Matip aerially, but certainly the overwhelming likelihood is that the answer is more success than Kane had on the night. But hey ho .. Poch did what he did.
I may at some point watch the game again (if i can bring myself too) as memories of how it went exactly are hazy. I remember VVD having the better of Son on the occasions he did get some space in behind, and I certainly remember Kane being a non entity. Apparently Alli started .. I had forgotten that entirely.
Despite all my rhetoric I hope Kane bangs in a hat trick because I’m Spurs and it’s win at all costs
As someone said previously, you are a rational poster. It was a pleasure!
The main reason we didn't play this way was (as I've stated earlier) Pochettino clearly had a very close relationship with Kane, and when available felt he needed to play him. I imagine he was aware of the potential tactical advantage you've mentioned, but his attachment to the player meant he had, perhaps unjustified, faith in his ability to cause different problems.
It's a shame. Llorente was a severely under utilised weapon in his time at Spurs overall. We deployed him off the bench against Ajax and he had a fantastic impact, but aside from that we barely used him at all. Perhaps because some modern coaches are reluctant to go direct in such a way, but more likely because whilst Kane starts, Llorente doesn't really have a place.
I'm still not fully convined of how much success Llorente would've had up against Van Djik/Matip aerially, but certainly the overwhelming likelihood is that the answer is more success than Kane had on the night. But hey ho .. Poch did what he did.
I may at some point watch the game again (if i can bring myself too) as memories of how it went exactly are hazy. I remember VVD having the better of Son on the occasions he did get some space in behind, and I certainly remember Kane being a non entity. Apparently Alli started .. I had forgotten that entirely.
Likewise!
It's a shame some threads get bogged down in the more petty stuff. At the end of the day it's all just football opinions, and it should be enjoyable to discuss them. Whether someone rates Kane or not for example, we all (presumably!) just want the best for Spurs.