If he didn't play the fucking pass, the red card wouldn't have happened, it's as simple as that...and it was a very good ball.
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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Winks
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It really is. Unable to just say 'he did well' because they harbour actual hatred towards one of our own players, simply for not being good enough. I don't rate Winks, I don't believe he's about to thrive under Conte, but the man himself? I have no issues with, and he did well vs Vitesse. If he proves me wrong and does well, amazing! Being proven wrong about a Spurs player you thought was never gonna make it is a great feeling.
But some people are just bitter and get abusive. Towards our own players. It's incredibly sad.
That's a pretty skewed view of things, but....
.....This isn't however.
I haven't questioned the man himself. I haven't even said he was shit.
All I've said is that it's insanity to claim he had any influence on the game last night. It's even more insane to claim his pass got a player sent off.
It's completely unquantifiable, so many things had to happen after the basic long ball into space happened.
Then I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about those who come up with weird nicknames for him, hurl insults just because he exists, and make up weird conspiracy theories just to hate him even more. And then when he comes on and does well enough (whether you think he changed the game or whatever) some can't bring themselves to do anything but hate further.
If you didn't think he played well, fine! Personally when he came on I think he showed a desire to be involved, played some nice passes, and was generally tidy. Nothing exceptional but worthy of a 'nice cameo' in my book. Certainly not worthy of more hate just because he was brought on. There's a weird level of malice on here from some that gets reserved for him.
Stop abusing fellow Spurs fans, ENIC man
LMFAO - too clear now
I don't think anyone would melt if Winks started contributing to a successful team.Okay we will see, you're probably right but I'm here for the melties if Conte uses him and we start winning as a result
But frankly there's more chance of a comeback tour from Kurt Cobain.
"Winks & Sissoko" has become synonymous with shit. Found this in the dictionary
Winks & Sissoko
(noun)
A footballer that is atrocious at football.
Example: "Harry Kane's performance this season has been atrocious. Might as well put Winks and Sissoko in there."
Winks got a 7 on Skeedafootball so should start against Everton
Skeeda
S.k.e.e…….:what do you mean “who”?
Skeeda
S.k.e.e…….:what do you mean “who”?
I mean it has to be a balance of the two.
Anyone thinking Harry Winks pass is so good that it forced the goalkeeper to get sent off is just wrong.
Anyone thinking Winks did nothing right is also wrong. The pass was a decent ball and nothing more.
Winks pass went to a dangerous area to a spurs player. There were a few positive outcomes from the pass... we possess the ball and break forward and score, we gain 50 yards of territory and then recycle the ball, OR something like goalkeeper charges like a mad man and gets a red. There's no denying that what happened ( the last option) has a low probability of occurring in that situation. It's an opponent mistake.
If Winks played that pass, and Emerson tripped over the ball and we got countered and scored on, that does not make the pass any better or worse. Winks only has control over the pass.
In addition, it does not matter who played the pass, it was a quality pass... however, in this instance, the result of the play was not equal to the value of the pass because of the opponent mistake which is low probability. It's like taking a 30 yard shot that goes through the keeper's legs.
A similar example of what I'm trying to say is N'Dombele's pass to Lo Celso. That pass was perfect for a scoring chance. N'Dombele made a great pass and it does not matter if the ball rolls under Lo Celso's foot or if Lo Celso scores or not. N'Dombele controlled what he could control and made the right play. That is why there are alternate statistics to goals and assists... like expected assists (which isn't perfect either because it's reliant on the receiver getting a shot off) or big chances created.
The result of the play is not always indicative of the action... but after enough positive actions, the results will balance out.
From the same dictionary.
NDomBadBoy
(noun)
Shit poster on a football forum, who can't see past their agenda.
Example: "Arcspace is such a great poster, you couldn't tell the difference if NDomBadBoy had posted."
But its not just him. N'dombele and Kane trigger certain people beyond anything actually rational. Not a fan of Winks the player or the bloke (i have reasons ill not share) but I'm happy to have him here if short term he helps the team.
Can anyone with more tech knowledge than me post a gif of winks heading fresh air from last night?
It was a moment of comedy genius that we all miss when he is sold to qpr
It was a moment of comedy genius that we all miss when he is sold to qpr
Not happening, mate - according to some he’s going to be the lynchpin of Conte’s new quadruple-winning midfield
As much as I don't rate Winks or many others for that matter, if conte turns him into a lynch pin of our midfield it would be the greatest comeback since jesus walking out of his tomb.
I get the dislike for winks and in reality don't see any future for him here but as winks is spurs, there is still a bit of me that wants him to play and be a success.
Yeah I am drinking
Tbh my intention isn't to put too much weight on that pass just the overall cameo.... He had a decent cameo and it seemingly pains some to acknowledge it...... Not that I'm surprised.