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Manager Igor Tudor
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The fact that he's still here just confirms that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
But that is the issue - that wasn't a realistic issue last season.
I think it would have been correct to sack him in Jan 2025, bring in some able bodies, get a respectable top half finish (aim for, at least)
However, with the bottom 3 being so shite, I don't think it was a bad call necessarily (considering the outcome) to leave it to see if we could win a cup and get CL football that way.
I think parting company was absolutely correct either way. Nothing was being built in terms of league football and we're seeing a lot of symptoms emanating from the rot now.
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but I think the biggest issue has not necessarily been hiring Frank, but from hiding from correcting that.
When Levy was forced out, we were 4th in the table with 2 wins out of 3.
By 4th October, one month later, we'd lost only one game and were 3rd, 2 points from the top.
P7 W4 D2 L1
Since that point until the end of the year, we had 11 points from 11 games. Chances are, people on here and in the media would have had a moan if we'd have sacked him, but Levy wouldn't have really cared about that (he never did). The key thing would have been Frank's media facing comments tbh, rather than just league form.
The real problems have pretty much started and existed in that period. A shambolic approach to PR in general, the transfer window, and everything management since.
Of course now we're already on 7 league defeats this calendar year alone, which is the same number we had in the first half of the season
It was realistic from about Dec 2023.
MANY of us said we were showing worrying signs of relegation form as early as then.
As far as I'm aware we came 17th last season and was never really in any real danger of going down...... If we go down this season Ange is not the reason why, its replacing him with someone even worse and then persisting to stick with it for to long and not signing anyone in January.
The Alternative I guess is we finished mid table last season won, fuck all and Frank comes in and we are still here now, so I will take the little wins where I can.
He wouldn’t have answered
Total ignorant cunt!
As evidenced by his treatment of Kinsky which will remain with him for the rest of his career!
What’s left of it!
But at that time the media and everyone was talking about injuries, so there was absolutely no way it would be seen as the right decision. You think the 'Ange is god' stuff is bad now - I wouldnt want to live in that alternative timeline
I would love some updates on how training is going this morning. And the attitude towards him. Also kinsky saying morning to him
And Spence shaking his hand!
Imagine the confusion in the Ange derangement syndrome ranks if he came back and repeated the first 10 games of season 1
You honestly can't see this where we are now is simply a continuation of where we were as early as 2024?
The only difference now to last season is the teams around us are actually better than they were.
The only game we won in the last 1/3 of last season was Southamton.
We weren't better. Teams around us were just worse.
The only manager Levy ever got rid of that fast was Nuno, which was only because the long-gestating deal with Conte had come to fruition.
I'll grant you it's POSSIBLE that Levy sacks Frank earlier, but it's also possible he doesn't, and there's no more than a handful of games in it either way.
Mistiming the Frank sacking is a drop in the ocean of the pathetic state of the club.
If you finish 17th then you're in danger of going down, because you're shit.
That there were 3 sides that were monumentally shit last season doesn't eradicate the fact that we were shit enough to be in a real relegation fight almost any other season.
You don't condition the players to accept and not care about the league performance one season and then just wipe the slate clean the following summer, that 18 month spell under Ange following the first 10 games has done untold damage to this group of players on so many levels, I don't think it's recoverable here for most of them.
The media are fucking idiots.
They backed Ange for ages.
Then they backed Frank for ages.
And now they have unanimously turned on Tudor after 4 matches.
They don't know their arse from their elbow. They like someone who is polite to them in interviews. That's it.
The injuries we have had have been horrific.
But our squad, including our academy players, should be good enough to never be this bad.
It's been bred into the entire club over a sustained period now. All of the players are completely done. They have become so used to losing that they go out to play thinking it's innevitable.
That didn't have to happen. Whilst some coached. Poch, Conte, Klopp etc can take almost any team and get at least 100% from them, Ange, Frank and Tudor have failed to get even 50% out of our players.
And now it's so terminal, that I doubt anyone could ever pick it back up.
I'm partly angry that the club let it happen.
But I'm absolutely fucking livid that there's still so many fans who can't see we are where we are because of it.
Why wasn’t Ange season 1 a continuation of the Stellini and Mason situation?
Hoddle
Santini
Jol
Ramos
AVB
Poch
All sacked before Xmas.
Sure some of them were 2nd+ seasons, if that's what you meant. Santini wasn't, though.
depends on which way you deem it.
AVB was pretty quick into the season but not his reign. Writing was on the wall with both AVB and Poch because, if they had it their way, they'd both have gone on to bigger jobs and I think they had mentally checked out.
Stellini was sacked after 4 games total
Hoddle was sacked after 6 games into a new season
Ramos was sacked 8 games into a new season
Nuno was sacked after 10 games total
Jol I think was 10 games into a new season
Santini fucked off about 11 games in, and I don't think counts
Poch was sacked after 12 games into a new season
AVB was sacked after 16 games into a new season
(league games, to clarify, as that's the marker)
Thomas Frank? 24 games
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I think Ranieri benefitted a lot from Pearson's work in the season before, and Conte season 1 benefitted a lot from Mourinho/Mason.
There's always some carry-over
Have we not sacked him yet? Seriously ?
But Stellini and Mason was a disaster
why was Ange season 1 so much better? Especially after losing Kane?
How come Frank and Tudor even get to use Ange winning a trophy as an excuse for being shit, but Ange didn’t need to use Stellini and Mason?