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Manager Igor Tudor
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To be fair he's been given meaningless dead rubbers on both occasions, the only exception being the cup final in which we were total crap.
He's not a good option, he's just the least bad one.
Set myself up with that one.
I said reportedly, I'm not making my own observations from what we've seen on the pitch, it was reported that these global superstars on the back of winning Europe's Carling Cup felt that Frank and his team were beneath them.
What's Pleat doing?
Probably wondering when Kula Chef Skis will be back to help out, and how long Vandy Vin is suspended for
Yep, also he wasn't fully backed in the transfer market with quality signings, just like every manager before him, including Ange , has had to deal with
The fans would groan but in retrospect would have been one of the more sensible choices to stabilise things tbh
Maybe you need to change where you get your reports
Ange was backed. He signed VdV, Maddison, Vicario, Johnson, Solanke, Porro, Odobert was all signed by Ange.
Those were all Ange signings.
Scandalous that we announce we aim to win the league and Champions League then sign West Ham's 3rd best player; Palinha/RKM on loan and our 4th choice Madders replacement who we knew was gone for the year. Many of us warned how exposed we were to another injury crisis.
But the bullies knew better. Happy clapped Frank in August and brayed "now we're finally being coached well".
No wonder their minds are cracked and they have to peddle this pathetic cope now.
It may be true that we should have hired him instead of Tudor. I suspect we are soon to find out.
If the unthinkable happens though, I think there can be no other conclusion than the romance around Poch stopping us from appointing a proper permanent manager being a catastrophically stupid decision.
I already feel some regret over that, I absolutely acknowledged what a risk it was, but I thought the risk was better calculated at the time than it has proven to be, I didn't foresee Tudor being THIS unable to establish some baseline competence.
I'm no fan of Tudors style but he has been the victim of some utterly horrendous self-sabotage by this broken squad.
Just watching the replay of the Atelico game and apart from the insane mistakes we were not bad...
Why don't you answer the rest of it?
He made losing acceptable for these players and the squad needs ripping apart because of it
Look at any team who loses that amount of games..they do not recover from it without cutting half the squad and having serious investment
The idea that anything can be taken from a game after we're 4-0 down with Atletico scarcely able to believe what's happening is absurd, I'm sorry.
Show me something from the kickoff at Anfield and we'll talk.
I mean, when someone says "reportedly" then you kind of have to accept that they're not speaking in concrete facts, I wasn't pretending that there was anything more concrete.
Do you have anything reporting otherwise beyond the fact that we won a few games?
Because there were also incidents that support the notion that they didn't give Frank the respect that the manager should receive by default. VDV and Spence ignoring him, Bissouma turning up late to multiple training sessions right at the beginning, players openly aggrieved by his tactical instructions...
There's nothing to answer? No logical or remotely "sane" argument to rebut. All logical fallacy.
He made winning trophies "acceptable". He did that off the back of an unprecedented injury crisis. So, no - I don't accept your argument that he "made losing acceptable". Because it's utter nonsense.
How do we know this? Because United lost just as much as us. And they were 6th when they sacked their manager.
But the proof is in the pudding. None of you people believed any of this arrant nonsense before. You were all convinced Frank was "flying us up the table" in late August. Have a gander at this thread:
Manager - Thomas Frank
3 Big games in 10 days.... proper squad rotation. All 3 games - differently setup. All 3 games, very good performance from team. If we can do this, over the season then competing in all competitions should be no brainer....Only need that muppet Levy to back his manager in the market
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What happened? Did Ange pop by to remind everyone he'd "made losing acceptable"?
No... what happened was we quickly reverted to the mean; suffered more horrendous injuries and now we might be relegated. There's plenty of reasons for this but NONE of them is "the blooke we sacked last May".
FFs
Take out the three goals gifted to them and it's 1-1 at half time?
Okay I'm reaching but I spent £500 quid going to see that Atelico game in person and I'm allowed to think watching the replay and try and find some sort of glimmer of hope from it...
The Ange normalised losing stance is fucking mental. Why is it only losing that gets normalised? Why wasn’t his first ten results normalised? Or, as you say, trophy winning normalised? We all know that we played weaker sides in the league than in Europe as we were struggling with squad fitness.There's nothing to answer? No logical or remotely "sane" argument to rebut. All logical fallacy.
He made winning trophies "acceptable". He did that off the back of an unprecedented injury crisis. So, no - I don't accept your argument that he "made losing acceptable". Because it's utter nonsense.
How do we know this? Because United lost just as much as us. And they were 6th when they sacked their manager.
But the proof is in the pudding. None of you people believed any of this arrant nonsense before. You were all convinced Frank was "flying us up the table" in late August. Have a gander at this thread:
Manager - Thomas Frank
3 Big games in 10 days.... proper squad rotation. All 3 games - differently setup. All 3 games, very good performance from team. If we can do this, over the season then competing in all competitions should be no brainer....Only need that muppet Levy to back his manager in the market
What happened? Did Ange pop by to remind everyone he'd "made losing acceptable"?
No... what happened was we quickly reverted to the mean; suffered more horrendous injuries and now we might be relegated. There's plenty of reasons for this but NONE of them is "the blooke we sacked last May".
FFs
You also mention Man Utd. They were losing, sacked their manager and started winning. What happened to all the normalised losing? Did it disappear by coincidence? Or is it just frontier bullshit? Same for West Ham. Were losing. Now aren’t. Why not? It was normalised. Wolves are doing better. Everton having a good season. All could be considered normal losers.
It’s utter fucking shite and those who peddle this should be sectioned.
It's absolutely no surprise at all that this nonsense is peddled exclusively by the same people who relentlessly bullied and abused Spurs fans simply for supporting the previous manager.
They are shameless charlatans and cowards.
Look , its Dumb and Dumber