We've been getting progressively worse since before the CL final, it's got nothing to do with any one single appointment.
Grow up, you weirdo. Why do you feel the need to be rude to people all the time?
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Grow up, you weirdo. Why do you feel the need to be rude to people all the time?
1ppg last season.
Currently on.......fuck me..........1ppg
We are no worse than we were last season
But apparently, Ange is better than this
It's mental fucking illness at this point that people cannot grasp it.
It's unbelievable that they cannot see that he started this. He pulled the chain. We have been circling the drain ever since.
It might actually work , just as long as they all bring their boots!
Yea let’s just get rid of any spurs player associated with the club so we can become a proper soulless corporation, I thought better of you!
1 ppg is alot more than.. 0 - zero ppg as we are collecting now, and will see us over the line with a good margin
He has to go as we finished 17th I agree with that , I’m not having the issues we have since he left are because we finished 17th though , if that was the case surely United who won fuck all would be in the same fate as us now?
You could also argue that by being the team that broke the trophy draught we were in a prime position to kick on , we were told anyone would get us back to the top now it’s “Ange is to blame”
It’s getting fucking tedious reading about him on every thread , the reason we are fighting relegation now is because Frank was worse than Ange and the squad has been criminally under invested for years , maybe invested is the wrong word as we spent money just on shite!
Look at it another way, do you think Woolwich are top of the table purely because of what happened in the summer and work that has been done this season, or do you think it's in part due to the foundations laid last season, and the seasons before that?
Do you think City are challenging for the title every season because they just nail it every summer and do some dead good training once the season begins?
The summer break can allow sides to re-set, revamp, and come back better than the prior season because they have sufficiently addressed the issues from the prior season.
We failed to do that, whilst Utd did a better job of it.
Trajectory is important, the season that Leicester won the league, they picked up their form just as they had finished the season before, they didn't just magically become amazing over the summer break. And that transcended two entirely different managers in Pearson and Ranieri.
Opinions are arseholes and all that, but to me we weren't "primed" for anything other than a relegation battle the state we were in end of last season, the additional ego of being "Champions of Europe" if anything was counter productive to this bunch of players, as they felt the woeful league form had been vindicated.
I think we have been in decline for years, we haven't had a proper plan since sacking Poch and even then we got lucky with him, we were also so Lucky to have Kane and Sonny in the team until recently or things would have got a lot worse and a lot sooner!
I will still stick to my original point though, we are not 17th this season and looking at relegation as Ange lost loads of league games last season, we are 17th and looking at relegation as we are not run like a Club who wants to win, we are run like a business that wants to make money, Levy & Ange Leaving with the club having the monetary benefits of Champions league football this season should have been the catalyst that kicked us on, but in Typical Spurs fashion we replaced them both with Worse candidates, add in the fact that the squad is such a miss match ( Hello Lange and patricia) relegation if not this season is coming, and quite frankly as a club we deserve it.
No, I disagree. All of the other managers prior to Ange were working under the same restrictions, with the same idiots above them. They never had us genuinely fearing relegation. Before Ange, the darkest days saw us flirting with mid-table and thinking it was a disaster.
You can point to the loss of Kane, and of course that is going to have an impact. But to lose that player and go from top 4 to bottom 4 so rapidly? No, this squad of players isn't amazing, but they're not that bad. Some terrible coaching, and a headful of nonsense from a charismatic personality, has absolutely destroyed whatever this group did have going for it.
We collected 0.3ppg over Ange's last 12 games.1 ppg is alot more than.. 0 - zero ppg as we are collecting now, and will see us over the line with a good margin
Boosted HEAVILY by a win vs Southampton. One of the worst teams of all time.
We literally don't have a Southampton level team in the entire league now.
So that would be effectively 1 point from 11 games under Ange at the end of last season.
Seriously. We were fucking useless. It was just extremely lucky other teams were unusually bad.
Man United let Rashford, Hoijland, Eriksen, Lindelof, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho and Onana out.
Literally ripped all the bad eggs and underperformers out of the squad.
They signed Cunha, Mbuemo, a new first choice keeper and an over priced but better forward than Hoiland in Sesko.
That's why they're picking up and we're falling off a cliff
Had they got rid of Amorim in the closed season, like we did and they should have, they'd be a lot closer to the top than they are.
Because they have a long, strong history of a winning mentality.
We are weak and pathetic.
Seasons don’t happen in isolation. Teams that finish a season strongly often continue that into a new season. Likewise teams that are struggling at the bottom often continue that form into next season. This is pretty much a fact that anyone who has watched football for a decent amount of time can see. There’s loads of examples every year.
So yes what happened last season under Ange continued this season. Does that make him the only one responsible? No. Frank was a terrible choice as a replacement. I also agree the club has been in decline for a while. However this is historically shit. A bad season for us used to be finishing 8th and losing a semi final.
We have never seen it this bad, and it all started under Ange. He was the one unique person who oversaw the catalyst for this relegation form. Levy had been chairman for 25 years. We’d never been this bad in all his time.
What happened is under Ange, his dumb open tactics led to us losing league games constantly. This destroyed the confidence of the group and made losing a habit and it’s a habit that we have been unable to break since.
So yes Frank failed to improve things. Tudor also. But it all started under Ange, and sorry but if I watch my team plunge to new levels of shitness, historically bad, unlike anything I’ve seen for decades, I am for sure going to hold the manager who oversaw that decline most responsible, and that was Ange.
No other manager, not Jol, AVB, Poch, Conte, Jose took us to relegation form and 17th place. Ange did. That we’ve continued to be shit after he’s gone does not make Ange any less responsible for this mess. Momentum, both positive and negative, is a thing in football.
Now the club have made the situation worse with hiring Frank who was out of his depth and the wrong fit, and keeping him far too long, and now hiring Tudor who doesn’t even play the correct formation, and is gruff and basically the wrong fit for what we need.
The club need to replace him with an arm around the shoulder type to lift the morale and confidence of the group before it’s too late
Leicester 14/15 finished 14th
Leicester 15/16 finished 1st
Buuuut Leicester 14/15 took 22 points from their last 9 games. 2.44ppg
They actually dropped off a bit in their title winning season overall with 2.1ppg
Prime example of form crossing seasons - AND regardless of manager as they replaced Adkins with Ranieri
Yeah it is what I would have done when we sacked Frank.
What I actually think they will do is sack Tudor and put a permanent manager in. Just because it is the worst move they can make. They'll use the fact they appointed a caretaker and it didnt work as an excuse not to do it again. They'll then appoint a completely unsuitable candidate now who we will have to then sack next season. Thereby also missing out on a better managerial market in the summer.
It is the worst decision they can make, so the one they will do. We need to think along those lines. What is the worst decision possible, because that is what they will do.
Is it the worst decision?
Sure it depends entirely on who that is.
I still don't understand why, if they want Poch so badly, they don't offer him the role in tandem with his current job.
It's not like he's uber busy.
Edit - he even went to our game on Tuesday ffs
They'll go for de zerbi I reckon, which will be like throwing a flaming shit covered in explosives into a dumpster fire.
I dont think the club want Poch back. He's too big for them to control.
They arent going to do something sensible. They'll sack Tudor without a replacement, panic and then go down this route.
Hope I'm wrong (which is quite likely!)
I think our best manager recruits have all come by accident.
Jol off the back of the Santini dumpster fire.
Redknapp off the back of Ramos nearly sending us down.
Poch after AVB failed (failed, lol) and being turned down by Van Gaal
Conte when Nono was struggling and the fans were baying for blood.
The problem is, all of those wee Levy decisions.
And it does seem like, crazy as it sounds, he was the only ENIC employee with half a brain.
Until becoming a member of the Ange cult, at least.