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Transfers January 2015 Transfer Window DISCUSSION Thread

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So, having a surplus of good players is a bad thing? Do you think City mind having Nasri and Silva? Chelsea with Costa and Remy? Woolwich with Sanchez and Cazorla? To compete on multiple fronts you need a great squad, not just a great starting 11, and that means having at least 3 competent strikers. We have 1.

You want us to buy someone who will play "second fiddle to Kane". Who is going to join a team, knowing they probably will be warming a bench and more importantly why would they join? Would Austin be happy with being a bench warmer, simply for the sake of a slightly better wage? That kid in France? Inggs? Doubt it, we'd just buy another shit striker, leaving Kane still the only 1 competent.

And to put your convictions to the test, by your logic you'd decline Benteke on a free transfer because it would "hurt Kane"? No, you'd accept him and go back on your own convictions because to do otherwise would be fucking insane.
Hey man, he's allowed an opinion without you calling him an idiot. Call his opinion idiotic, fine.
 
If we sign a striker, unless we want to stunt Kane's development it needs to be someone happy to play second fiddle.

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Fucking hell, people. Can we stop viewing football as black and white. I've seen so many people suggest we shouldn't get a great striker because this will harm Kane, which is just ridiculous for so many reasons.

1. Formation. You can play 4-4-2 which would allow Kane to play, a new striker to play and Eriksen to play. Imagine a 4-3-2-1 with Bony, Kane and Eriksen, all of whom pose different problems. Kane would therefore get the same game time and it wouldn't damage his development.

2. Squad rotation. We play more games than almost any other club in Europe. We generally rack up over 60-70+ games and playing Kane in a European cup quarter final, compared to a league game, won't damage his development in the slightest.

3. Whoever we buy, Kane will be 1st choice. Poch tends to give players months to settle and even then only picks players based on form, not price, name or reputation.

4. Young players develop in training too. Kane barely played until last year and so "couldn't develop", had Adebayor, Defoe, Soldado in front of him yet scored 3 goals in 3 apps.

A new striker won't hurt him or his development. The lad is 21, last thing you want to do is over play him and he gets a huge injury.

On Kane's form I don't see him becoming number two at all and we need proper back up if he gets injured or tired or whatever, as has been said Kane plays in several positions. The only threat I see is if we don't get a new striker and are left with Bobby and Ade.

Can't really get my head around people saying we don't need another forward. Ade and Bobby ain't good enough, if Kane is injured or tired we are significantly weakened which could affect our cup runs and league games for all the good work that has happened this season we could easily fall short and that won't be pochs fault.

Saying you want to buy someone who you know isn't good enough to be in your starting 11, then having to use that player in your starting 11 when Kane needs a rest/injured/bad form is as bizarre as it is stupid and a slippery slope.
 
Wouldn't this be a good time to move for Jay Rodriguez? He will probably come at a discount and can eventually provide at least backup at striker, and we can probably afford to take our time with his recovery. He can also play on the wing so he won't be a total waste when Kane wins the Ballon d'Or.
 
Surely people on both sides of the argument want us to sign a decent striker to complement Kane?

When we're going for a striker we won't be specifically looking for someone who isn't quite as good as Kane, so as not to reduce his playing time, but at the same time we won't be looking to break the bank. Simples.
 
Ideally we need to sign an attacker with the versatility that Kane, Chadli etc can offer.

If Kane is nailing that position up top, maybe the new guy can compete in the wide positions etc. Essentially we don't want to sign someone who can only play up top.

Sort of agree, but Kane can always play off the striker, if that's the only place the striker can play..? Plus, could always mess around with formations, 4-3-3, 4-3-2-1 etc.
 
Wouldn't this be a good time to move for Jay Rodriguez? He will probably come at a discount and can eventually provide at least backup at striker, and we can probably afford to take our time with his recovery. He can also play on the wing so he won't be a total waste when Kane wins the Ballon d'Or.

He would be the perfect player if it were not for his injury. Tall, quick, can score, and can play out wide or up top.

We need a player like him for sure, and him as well to be the 3rd option would be jizz worthy.
 
Wouldn't this be a good time to move for Jay Rodriguez? He will probably come at a discount and can eventually provide at least backup at striker, and we can probably afford to take our time with his recovery. He can also play on the wing so he won't be a total waste when Kane wins the Ballon d'Or.

Rod is out for another month injured, would require a month of training and then 2-3 weeks of matches before he's even close to being sharp. At which point the season is over, you've got a player who might be a shadow of himself and he's on a 4-5 year contract. Safer to wait until the summer
 
Ideally we need to sign an attacker with the versatility that Kane, Chadli etc can offer.

If Kane is nailing that position up top, maybe the new guy can compete in the wide positions etc. Essentially we don't want to sign someone who can only play up top.
This. Hence my JRod comment above, but if not him, I am at least on the same page as Yorkie. Versatility is the answer to the problem.
 
Versatility is the answer to the problem.

Why?

Not sure where this fetish for "Lets have a player who can play anywhere along the front 4" has come from. It's useful, helps with rotation but our current front 4 (Chadli, Kane, Eriksen, AT/Lamela) is almost entirely interchangeable as it is, not even to mention we're not limited to 1 formation.

Rather get a striker who is a striker and that's all.
 
Why?

Not sure where this fetish for "Lets have a player who can play anywhere along the front 4" has come from. It's useful, helps with rotation but our current front 4 (Chadli, Kane, Eriksen, AT/Lamela) is almost entirely interchangeable as it is, not even to mention we're not limited to 1 formation.

Rather get a striker who is a striker and that's all.
Why is it worse to find a good striker who is versatile than to find a good striker who isn't? Also, when thinking about this issue it's probably best not to put too much weight into our last match. See the Chadli thread for how high I am on him right now, but I think our front 4 is hardly established for the long haul even if it does look very encouraging.
 
Why is it worse to find a good striker who is versatile than to find a good striker who isn't? Also, when thinking about this issue it's probably best not to put too much weight into our last match. See the Chadli thread for how high I am on him right now, but I think our front 4 is hardly established for the long haul even if it does look very encouraging.

I think "versatile" players are generally too young to know their best positions or are a jack of all trades and not great at any. Granted, there are exceptions but these tend to be the best players in the world. I also think Poch's system needs a target man, rather than someone "versatile".

I'd rather have a great target man who knows his job, rather than trying to figure out who plays where. Sometimes having too many options isn't a good thing; as I've said, we still have no idea where many of our players best positions are as it is.

I can't think of too many "great strikers who are versatile" that we could get. Most great strikers tend to be just that; a striker.
 
That's mostly because we're thick, listen to the media and not scouts...I'm sure if Swansea can get Bony for £12 million we can scavenge someone half decent from somewhere.
Agreed, I'm sure a combination of Mitchell looking around for young talent(which is why we have him) and Pochettino's ability to create an average player into a class PL player, we should be good, it's finding that talent and us having the patience for them to develop that worries me but I'm sure we will be fine
 
That's mostly because we're thick, listen to the media and not scouts...I'm sure if Swansea can get Bony for £12 million we can scavenge someone half decent from somewhere.
To be honest I get all my football news from here, and the odd cursory look at the BBC football site, but if you're right, half decent is all we can really expect. I'm not worried about hurting Kane's development, I'm worried about him getting injured. We are so short up front, I'd be happy with almost anyone this month. (I'm aware I'm opening myself up for comedic responses with the last sentence)
 
To be honest I get all my football news from here, and the odd cursory look at the BBC football site
Don't blame you. The neverending circle of shite and outright lies that get published in the name of 'transfer gossip' is outrageous. Not to mention that all the news outlets end up citing one another until you find the original source and realise that it's some wag on twitter or a poorly translated dutch article.
Those 'transfer news roundups' are worth looking at, just so you can see the crap they spout about other clubs in their (successful) attempt to bait clicks. Woolwich to pay £70m for Cavani - sounds legit!

Even on forums, those goddamn 'cryptic' (i.e. can mean anything and usually translate to an incorrect rumour) ITKs are unbearable. Don't understand why people pander to them and attempt to 'solve' them over the course of many many pages.
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Don't blame you. The neverending circle of shite and outright lies that get published in the name of 'transfer gossip' is outrageous. Not to mention that all the news outlets end up citing one another until you find the original source and realise that it's some wag on twitter or a poorly translated dutch article.
Those 'transfer news roundups' are worth looking at, just so you can see the crap they spout about other clubs in their (successful) attempt to bait clicks. Woolwich to pay £70m for Cavani - sounds legit!

Even on forums, those goddamn 'cryptic' (i.e. can mean anything and usually translate to an incorrect rumour) ITKs are unbearable. Don't understand why people pander to them and attempt to 'solve' them over the course of many many pages.
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To be fair, it's not all complete bullshit. Shamefully, probably 90% of it is.

People look at gossip for the same reason they come on here. To prod their imagination and wonder "What if", or more likely, "For fuck sake Tottenham, why didn't we get him"
 
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