You have Winks, Walker-Peters, Bentaleb, Townsend, Mason, Caulker and Livermore padding out your list?
Is this a wind up?
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You have Winks, Walker-Peters, Bentaleb, Townsend, Mason, Caulker and Livermore padding out your list?
Is this a wind up?
Watched him play the other day funnily enough, he played as a right sided CB in a three against Kazan solely to put a stop to Kvaratshkelia and did well. Impressive for Columbia recently as well. Strikes me as more of a pure destroyer though, heavyish touch and I wouldn't call him a great passer, nearly 28yo. Maybe I'm being harsh on his passing.
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We're crying out for a destroyer though. A monster whose job is simply to stop the opposition playing and get the ball back. He's ok at passing, but his strength as Messi and Neymar could testify is protecting the defence and winning back possession. And at that job, no one is better.
You have Winks, Walker-Peters, Bentaleb, Townsend, Mason, Caulker and Livermore padding out your list?
Is this a wind up?
They have all made many appearances in the Premier League and played at a very high level. Not every player we develop will be successful for us, but we do develop good players.
We do ok but no more than anyone else. I'd say we have a pretty unremarkable youth system. In the prem era, which is 29 years i can only think of Campbell, Carr, Barmby, King and Kane that have been top class. Its not dreadful but certainly nothing special.
Barmby top class? Carr is a stretch, but Barmby??? Peter Crouch a much better claim to be top class
Err mate KING!!!!
Sold for a total in the region of £60m.
All internationals including 4 full England.
Winks of course full England international.
Maybe merely "developing players" fell short of what I meant to establish..... Players with room to grow.... Low risk/high ceiling and so on.... Be that Lennon, Walker, Rose, Jan, Dele, Bale, Dier, Berba, Modric, Eriksen, Toby, Son etc. etc...... The buying model that got us to the proverbial CL dance in the first place.
Even players that didn't make it bigger but served us well in the interim.... The Sherwood/McDermot wave of academy lads.... Ben Davies (fuck the hate... His signing delivered exactly what it was meant to do.).... Krancar, Corluka, E'Kotto... Perhaps a few other examples I'm missing (I'm trying to stay reasonable here and not dig back too far into the past..... The Jol days til' now).
Yeh, people can complain about GKN, Stabouli, Holtby, Clarke and the like, but there's always gonna be some duds... The trick is not to be signing expensive duds..... Soldado, Ndombele, Sessengon.
We can debate about recruitment models until we are blue in the face, but EPL-proven, top 4 ready players stand to be some of the most expensive (for their respective quality level) in the world... Even more-so if they're HG...... At that point we're left just battling cheque-books with United & co (i.e. 4 richer teams).
- McGuire - 80m
- VVD - 75m
- Grealish - 100m
- Zaha - 80m
- Rice - Gonna cost the earth.
- Phillips - Ditto.
- Ben White - 50m FFS!
- Countless S"oton players (eg Shniederlin) that left and proved expensive duds (in pre-Neymar money).
- Sigurdson 50m (Also see 90% of Everton's purchases since their take-over)
We were once doing what Leicester are doing now..... Like I said above; THAT's what brought us to the dance..... Giving up on the idea of smart/creative/deeper-digging recruitment means resigning ourselves to financial par........ 5th place.
As for merely "proven" in general....
In recent windows the following all came from strong leagues with European experience:
- Romero 50m - Fingers crossed.
- Reguillon 30m - Still work to be done.
- PEH 16m - Already had his EPL-stripes. Decent signing I'd say.
- Gio 40m - Struggling.
- Doherty 13m - Already had his EPL-stripes. Yikes!
Bit of a mix-bag........ Evidently, it isn't an exact science
Yeh, our recruitment (scouting?) needs fixing..... Not disputing that for one second.
You list 3 players there... Each a very different proposition.
Personal take:
Ings - 100% agree.
Traore - Meh.....Ultimately, screams lack of recruiting vision to me. (Been pages of back and forth on him so lets not dwell).
Tielemans - Wanted to come here when his original loan was in the offing...... Poch wasn't interested.... Who knows why? (I have my impressions, but we'll never get the concrete facts of the matter).
Barmby was a cracking little player that made horrendous career choices and never fulfilled his early potential. Him and Carr obviously below Judas, King and Kane by some way but both miles above the Bentalebs and Townsends. Wasn't really counting Crouch as, although he was a youth team player initially we obviously signed him when he was established.
Think he may have been using us as leverage for his contract negotiations.
Let's see. If we get him on a free it would be ideal.
I have not watched a lot of Sarr, but does he play in a similar position to Kessie? What we don't want next season is to have 4 decent DMs in Hojbjerg, Skipp, Kessie, and Sarr (?); but only 2 attacking mids in Ndombele (not fit) and Lo Celso (injury prone).
Well if it's all a big play to score a new deal then it is what it is, but he's not signed one yet and he can sign a pre-deal come Jan so AC would be cutting it fine if they don't wrap something up soon.
The last thing I read was after the summer window shut..... Which portrayed us as faves whilst - although PSG were interested - first XI football was a factor.
Free of for a low fee in Jan.... Either or would be a result.
Haven't seen him play at all but my impression was that he was a dribbly box-2-box type rather than a #6.
#6/DM: Kessie / Skipp
#8a: Sarr / PEH
#8b: Ndombele / Gio / Dele
....Looks good on paper, but 8b is where the quandary remains. Do we get to address that without selling one of them? I fear not.
Ah interesting, can you link this? Reliable source?
Dele offers no creativity these days, so I wouldn't even list him.
If you're right about Sarr that is good news as he may be able to play alongside a DM without our formation being too defensive.
I am not convinced of PEH being a #8a type mid. I know he played that role in the Euros, but the intensity and pace of the game is lower than the PL. In the PL I've been impressed with his tackling and interceptions, but not his passing or dribbling under pressure.
I know Paratici is reportedly keen on improving our midfield, but imo as long as Ndombele is playing, our bigger priority for Jan would be another attacker. Also I wonder if in the long term, Gill may be better suited to be CAM (like how D. Silva converted after playing as a winger for Valencia), which is a good argument to buy another winger.
Just one of the bazzlions of tweets posted here....
You know me..... Not really one to put much stock into any sources (Pinch of salt crew reprazent!)....
....Def. wasn't the boy AG tho.
Perhaps not; but's kinda the raw bones of things.. We know each of those 3 have issues.
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Looks a bit 'all-purpose'.... Doesn't have ya typical EPL-DM physique tho.
Positionally, I don't think being routed to the base of a MF works for him....
He's played as a #8 for us so far his season.
Last season it was Jose's double pivot so wasn't a solo #6 either.
If we are gonna persist with 3CMs; 2 of which being combative, then I think we need an extra body in that mold.... Ideally a #6; maybe Sarr could help in the iterim if (as pre prev. comments) Kessie stays at AC til the summer.
....That's not to say I don't want another goal-scorer.
I think there's money left in the pot after the summer so I don't see why - in theory - both shouldn't be possible..... Who is it's own thread.
Fair, let's see if anyone reliable reports something on this.
Sarr looks good but adjustment from Ligue 1 to PL will take a while perhaps.
Yeah but I think our midfield hasn't been good enough on the ball, and this may be a cause.
Ideally I'd have only one of Hojbjerg or Skipp in the team. Both together means our midfield doesn't have enough technical ability.
More than likely.....
Hard to take anything for granted whatever league they're coming from tbh.... Ndombele, Gio, Keita.... Kessie?
The life of an EPL CM ain't easy.
Yeh, it's not my dream MF either, but given what we have:
vs Top teams: PEH + Skipp + Ndombele
vs Rest: Gio/Dele + PEH + Ndombele
IMO.
Kessie has CL experience, and he appears to have a hard working attitude. I think he'll adjust quicker than most, whichever PL team he joins.
Agreed.
Ideally by next season, we get Kessie; get rid of Dele and Winks.
Ndombele GLC Kessie Hojbjerg Sarr Skipp is a solid midfield squad.
Gio & Ndombele still have it all to prove, but so long as they get their shit together, yeh..... If not, we're left grumbling about a lack of creativity all over again.
Chances of getting 'rid of' both Dele and Winks in the same window is slim - reason is that good HG players are few and hard to find. So Skipp will require registration (aged 21) and will be a good PL pro which allows him to take the place of one of them, the other needs to stay.
Just to illustrate the issue better, atm (under UEFA rules) :
Club Trained Players : Kane, Winks, Tanganga, Austin (3rd GK) (and Skipp to join next season)
Other Association trained : Dele, Sessegnon ......... Clarke ? (ie 2 players short in the squad already )
And whilst Scarlett, Devine and others might look decent prospects, I doubt they will be judged capable of playing the 30-40 full games a season necessary to justify a squad position in the next year or two .... and as u21's will hopefully 'bulk up' the squad without needing to be registered as part of the 25 man squad
So what good HG players will actually be available - will Everton be happy to sell Calvert-Lewin, and similarly other non top 4 players be happy to sell us their HG stars ? I doubt it.
On the other hand, unless Ndombele and Lo Celso totally change this season from last season, I can't see us wanting to keep both underperforming players for whom 90 minutes seems almost unobtainable.
So I'd suggest a probability that one will go in summer unless one or both decide they need to break sweat consistently to earn their place ..... unlike the last 2 seasons. Which means another creative midfield player is required ......... although Sarr at Metz whilst billed as a DM seems to be playing more of a LW/box to box role this season, so maybe that's the back up plan for Lo Celso anyway
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I´d love to!Wood this guy be good for us?
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