Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

Airfixx · 4 Jan 2022

matspur said:
We should be aiming a bit higher than ex Woolwich stars past their best. We have had Gallas, Adebayor and Bentley and it never seems to work very well either because they are not good enough anymore and maybe even because they still subconsciously have feelings for Woolwich. When was the last time Woolwich or Chelsea took one of our cast offs?

Gallas was class! .....And had beef with both them & Chavski.

Ade couldn't give a shit about The Goons (see trolling them at City)..... We had good and bad times with him but that's just him all over innit.

Bentley played 1 league game for Arse. The prob with him was he's just a dosser.

......Agreed don't want Ramsey however.

......I'd take Saka without a second thought tho. :ninja:

Aimson · 4 Jan 2022

AlabamaSpur said:
read he is headed to Cheltenham Town on another loan

1 in 1 out already! Great start on this window!

Zest · 4 Jan 2022

Shadydan said:
wtf is bomba

Cranston · 4 Jan 2022

BennyK said:
Anyone got any actual good insight on Kulesvski ?

Not really.

He’s a proper ginger. Not that fast - so definitely not RWB.

My suspicion is that we think he can play as a second striker.

Mr Buttons · 4 Jan 2022

I won't deny that Lloris has had a fine season so far, but have people forgotten how mediocre he has been the last couple of seasons? I'm not sure he's the man to keep between the goalposts if we want to be a title competing team.

For this window, however, we need a new CM and a new CB - maybe also a striker. I'm not sure why Conte wants a new WB. Emerson Royal has done alright (maybe for depth?).

In relation to the CB position, I'm kind of worried that Conte seems to like Dier. To me, he's still a headless chicken. Davinson seems to have upped his game, but I'm not too sure about him either.
Alessio Romagnoli is free on the market this summer, and he's even left-footed. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

For the CM position, I think Donny van de Beek would be a great fit. He's a box-to-box midfielder who would go great with our attacking options. However, I'm not sure United would sell as Rangnick has spoken positively about him.
Franck Kessié is, like Romagnoli, available on a free transfer this summer too. He would also be an interesting player, but I'm not sure he's the most creative player.
Also, would it be too bad if we got Christian Eriksen back? There's been a lot of speculation about what he would do, but he just went public today, telling that he wants to keep playing. So he's looking for a new club, and Conte started to like him more and more during the spring of last season at Inter.

Nuts · 4 Jan 2022

Spaniel said:
When I hear McGinn speak, it always reminds me of McBlane from Reggie Perrin.

I can see a remake with Levy as CJ:

Levy: I didn't get where I am today backing managers in the January window
Mason: Great
Hitchens: Super

Macch · 4 Jan 2022

Shadydan said:
wtf is bomba

JDK · 4 Jan 2022

BennyK said:
Anyone got any actual good insight on Kulesvski ?

He’s strong, young and technical enough to play in midfield , so wondering if we’re thinking him for the RWB spot ?

I’ve heard good things about his time at Parma. Juve can’t get a tune out of Chiesa at the moment so we shouldn’t be too disheartened that he’s not pulling up trees there….

Interesting player. Was unreal at Parma in 2019/2020 as a 19 year old, 10 goals and 8 assists in a midtable Parma side. To put into perspective how good he was, in the 2020 Golden Boy Award voting he finished sixth. Behind only Haaland, Fati, Alphonso Davies, Sancho, and Camavigna. He was ahead of Foden, Szoboszali, Saka, Vinicius Jr, Ferran Torres, Greenwood, and Gravenberch.

Juve then pays huge money for him, 40m plus incentives. He played a lot last year under Pirlo and did okay. Had 4 goals and 3 assists in 19 starts, in a relatively disappointing Juve season. Hasn't played as much this season under Allegri in an even more disappointing Juventus season. So it's a little hard to sort through what to make of his time at Juve as they've had two pretty poor seasons.

In terms of him as a player, he's a bit of a tweener. He's tall and well built without top end speed, but his main position has been RW throughout his career though he's also played up top and in a role behind the striker. With us, he'd compete with Moura for that right inside forward role, which I think he's well suited for, or could play up top in a 3-5-2. He's got a nice left foot and cuts in well from the wing and he's also pretty creative and racks up assists and key passes at a good clip.

If we were to go for him, you'd be betting on his pedigree as one of the most impressive and coveted young players in Europe only 18 months ago. We'd have never had a chance to land a player like him then, so you'd be buying low after he's been pretty mediocre at Juve. But Juve as a whole has also been mediocre. He's still 21 and doesn't turn 22 until late April, so far from a finished product.

I think it's a worthwhile gamble if we could flip Lo Celso or Ndombele for him. It's a disappointment for disappointment flip, but he's 4 years younger than those two and arguably had a higher pedigree. Think he'd be good competition for Lucas for now at worst, while offering something a bit different than Lucas does, with potential to be way more than that.

If we can't get real cash for Ndombele or Lo Celso, you could do far worse than a punt on a player with Kulusevski's potential.

Beech · 4 Jan 2022

matspur said:
We should be aiming a bit higher than ex Woolwich stars past their best. We have had Gallas, Adebayor and Bentley and it never seems to work very well either because they are not good enough anymore and maybe even because they still subconsciously have feelings for Woolwich. When was the last time Woolwich or Chelsea took one of our cast offs?

Well if he stays clear of injury for a period I'd take him over both Lo Celso and Winks myself. I think he could be a good squad player. Not saying we should or I want us to sign him though. I think he'll end up at Newcastle on big wages if he comes back here.

Though Lo Celso is still just 25 and not at what should be his peak yet. Hopefully he gets his shit together for us at long last, real soon.

sudoku · 4 Jan 2022

A lot of premature extrapolation going on in this thread:

Transfer deadlines around Europe...

Premier League: Monday January 31, 11pm GMT
EFL: Monday January 31, 11pm GMT
Scotland: Monday January 31, midnight GMT
WSL: Friday January 28, 11pm, GMT
Bundesliga: Monday January 31, 5pm GMT
Serie A: Monday January 31, 7pm GMT
La Liga: Monday January 31, 11pm GMT
Ligue 1: Monday January 31, 11pm GMT

sudoku · 4 Jan 2022

JDK said:
Interesting player. Was unreal at Parma in 2019/2020 as a 19 year old, 10 goals and 8 assists in a midtable Parma side. To put into perspective how good he was, in the 2020 Golden Boy Award voting he finished sixth. Behind only Haaland, Fati, Alphonso Davies, Sancho, and Camavigna. He was ahead of Foden, Szoboszali, Saka, Vinicius Jr, Ferran Torres, Greenwood, and Gravenberch.

Juve then pays huge money for him, 40m plus incentives. He played a lot last year under Pirlo and did okay. Had 4 goals and 3 assists in 19 starts, in a relatively disappointing Juve season. Hasn't played as much this season under Allegri in an even more disappointing Juventus season. So it's a little hard to sort through what to make of his time at Juve as they've had two pretty poor seasons.

In terms of him as a player, he's a bit of a tweener. He's tall and well built without top end speed, but his main position has been RW throughout his career though he's also played up top and in a role behind the striker. With us, he'd compete with Moura for that right inside forward role, which I think he's well suited for, or could play up top in a 3-5-2. He's got a nice left foot and cuts in well from the wing and he's also pretty creative and racks up assists and key passes at a good clip.

If we were to go for him, you'd be betting on his pedigree as one of the most impressive and coveted young players in Europe only 18 months ago. We'd have never had a chance to land a player like him then, so you'd be buying low after he's been pretty mediocre at Juve. But Juve as a whole has also been mediocre. He's still 21 and doesn't turn 22 until late April, so far from a finished product.

I think it's a worthwhile gamble if we could flip Lo Celso or Ndombele for him. It's a disappointment for disappointment flip, but he's 4 years younger than those two and arguably had a higher pedigree. Think he'd be good competition for Lucas for now at worst, while offering something a bit different than Lucas does, with potential to be way more than that.

If we can't get real cash for Ndombele or Lo Celso, you could do far worse than a punt on a player with Kulusevski's potential.

Great, informative post. Thanks for taking the time.

Igula · 4 Jan 2022

JDK said:
In terms of him as a player, he's a bit of a tweener. He's tall and well built without top end speed, but his main position has been RW throughout his career though he's also played up top and in a role behind the striker. With us, he'd compete with Moura for that right inside forward role, which I think he's well suited for, or could play up top in a 3-5-2. He's got a nice left foot and cuts in well from the wing and he's also pretty creative and racks up assists and key passes at a good clip.

This is my concern with him assuming we are going to Conte's preferred 3-5-2 as we should. If he is playing up front in a 2 does he have the goal scoring ability to play there? And if he does is he good enough to play there as a starter for us?

Can he play in the MF 3 in a 3-5-2?

He seems like a promising talent but someone who fits best in a system that we are unlikely to play for Conte.

Thanks for the thorough break down, great information on the player.

Kazsam3 · 4 Jan 2022

JDK said:
I really don't want to get into a debate about what I'm going to say next, because I'm stating it as an observation rather than a value judgment.

I think the modern tactical giants of the sport like Pep, Conte, Tuchel, Klopp, Flick, Nagelsmann etc. would take someone like PEH or Skipp, who can follow tactical instructions and work hard for an entire game over someone like Ndombele who is much more talented, but has a tendency to freelance. Read anything about the modern managers and they are obsessive, detail-oriented, control freaks. They practice over and over again the exact ways they'd like to pass and progress the ball in training, they believe patterns of play should all be sketched out on the training pitch before it happens.

The days of Redknapp just rolling the ball out and telling the lads to run around a bit are basically over. On a personal level, I don't think that's necessarily good for the game. There's less individual brilliance allowed in the game, because at present it is much more risk adverse in both creative passing and allowing players to dribble at opponents and potentially turn the ball over.

However, you can't really quibble with the record of these control freak managers, they dominate the game tactically and our manager is one of them. We can yell at each other until we're blue in the face about PEH/Skipp vs. Ndombele but I think ultimately Conte and most of the other top managers believe far more in their system of play and prioritize tactical execution over any individual's footballing ability.

Do I believe that is good for the game overall? Not necessarily, but I also know that if you put the trophies that Pep, Klopp, Conte, and Tuchel have won in a normal sized room you'd have a hard time walking around.

Finally someone who understands modern top level football

Doc · 4 Jan 2022

JDK said:
Juve then pays huge money for him, 40m plus incentives. He played a lot last year under Pirlo and did okay. Had 4 goals and 3 assists in 19 starts, in a relatively disappointing Juve season. Hasn't played as much this season under Allegri in an even more disappointing Juventus season. So it's a little hard to sort through what to make of his time at Juve as they've had two pretty poor seasons.

In terms of him as a player, he's a bit of a tweener. He's tall and well built without top end speed, but his main position has been RW throughout his career though he's also played up top and in a role behind the striker. With us, he'd compete with Moura for that right inside forward role, which I think he's well suited for, or could play up top in a 3-5-2. He's got a nice left foot and cuts in well from the wing and he's also pretty creative and racks up assists and key passes at a good clip.

If we were to go for him, you'd be betting on his pedigree as one of the most impressive and coveted young players in Europe only 18 months ago. We'd have never had a chance to land a player like him then, so you'd be buying low after he's been pretty mediocre at Juve. But Juve as a whole has also been mediocre. He's still 21 and doesn't turn 22 until late April, so far from a finished product.

I think it's a worthwhile gamble if we could flip Lo Celso or Ndombele for him. It's a disappointment for disappointment flip, but he's 4 years younger than those two and arguably had a higher pedigree. Think he'd be good competition for Lucas for now at worst, while offering something a bit different than Lucas does, with potential to be way more than that.

If we can't get real cash for Ndombele or Lo Celso, you could do far worse than a punt on a player with Kulusevski's potential.

Good thing I scrolled on a page, I'd have posted something similar, agree with everything you've said here. I like his ability to create chances and think he'd spread play very well in a wingback system similar to how Kane does. I have seen some concerning displays from him at Juventus though, has looked completely off the boil in a few games.

JDK · 4 Jan 2022

Igula said:
This is my concern with him assuming we are going to Conte's preferred 3-5-2 as we should. If he is playing up front in a 2 does he have the goal scoring ability to play there? And if he does is he good enough to play there as a starter for us?

Can he play in the MF 3 in a 3-5-2?

He seems like a promising talent but someone who fits best in a system that we are unlikely to play for Conte.

Thanks for the thorough break down, great information on the player.

I thinks he's currently a fit in our 3-4-3, where Son and Moura play more like inside forwards than touchline hugging wingers. Juve mostly played a weird sort of modified 4-4-2 last year with Ronaldo/Morata and occasionally Dybala up top and Kulu played as a RW. I think that was too wide for him and he's better off more centrally.

He could also play up front in a 3-5-2 with either Kane or Son. He probably still needs to add a bit more hold up play to his game to be really effective in that role, but he's only 21. I think I've read that he's played striker for Sweden, but I've never seen him play internationally. Overall he's a versatile attacking player and I think Conte would like him, but that's just a guess.

Definitely could not play in a midfield 3 though, don't think that'd suit him, he's an attacker.

Mrbase · 4 Jan 2022

As a Swede I would love to see him at Spurs . I think Kulusevski has some real drive with the ball in his possession. If he was to play for spurs I'd like to see him in a number 10 role to be the creative link forward.

My personal dream signings this window would be Kulusevski, Alexander Isak (there are some stuff that he does with the ball that is not explainable, also biased), and De Ligt.

JDK · 4 Jan 2022

Doc said:
Good thing I scrolled on a page, I'd have posted something similar, agree with everything you've said here. I like his ability to create chances and think he'd spread play very well in a wingback system similar to how Kane does. I have seen some concerning displays from him at Juventus though, has looked completely off the boil in a few games.

Yeah not going to pretend I've seen him play a massive amount at Juventus. Probably 5 or so times and a couple times at Parma, plus having read up a good amount about him when he was showing out at Parma.

Juve are definitely disappointed in the purchase, but Pirlo did not do a good job last year and they've struggled even worse this year. I wouldn't really want to pay significant money for Kulu, but if we're swapping disappointing signings for disappointing signings, I'd rather have Kulu's youth and legitimate Golden Boy pedigree than what we're currently getting from Ndombele and permacrocked Lo Celso.

Shotgunofmichalebrow · 4 Jan 2022

Doc said:
Good thing I scrolled on a page, I'd have posted something similar, agree with everything you've said here. I like his ability to create chances and think he'd spread play very well in a wingback system similar to how Kane does. I have seen some concerning displays from him at Juventus though, has looked completely off the boil in a few games.

His lack of gears in English football concern me greatly. Our team is too one paced already. We need more dynamism we are carrying PEH Kane skipp Winks Dier. If I was looking at a profile for the next forward we buy both pace and technical ability would be very high on my wants its why I'm now leaning more toward David than Vlahovic to add to the forward line. The unpalatable truth for Levy is we 100% need both. If are going to back Conte properly. Kane/Vlahovic Son/David. More likely but still acceptable would be Kane/Scamacca Son/David

BringBack_leGin · 4 Jan 2022

Depending on what we do at RWB, if we have enough pace there then someone more cerebral (but by no means slow) are RF could be just lovely, so I’m in favour of Kulusevski as he could provide the craft we lack.

Don’t forget, in 16/17 when Dembele was fit enough to play CM, Eriksen played to the right of Kane with Dele to the left, neither that fast but fast it was fine because of Walker and Rose. Of course when Dembele was injured Eriksen dropped into the middle and Son came in for that strange but fun 3331 formation.

JDK · 4 Jan 2022

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
His lack of gears in English football concern me greatly. Our team is too one paced already. We need more dynamism we are carrying PEH Kane skipp Winks Dier. If I was looking at a profile for the next forward we buy both pace and technical ability would be very high on my wants its why I'm now leaning more toward David than Vlahovic to add to the forward line. The unpalatable truth for Levy is we 100% need both. If are going to back Conte properly. Kane/Vlahovic Son/David. More likely but still acceptable would be Kane/Scamacca Son/David

I mean, every club on earth would prioritize signing pacy players with technical ability if it was that simple.

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