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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Just a wee point from me. When you are paid so much money in wages, and the club's made you their record signing, you don't get to check out because the coach you liked got sacked. You give your very best, all the time. Or if it affects you, that's fine...for a bit...but you sort yourself out sharpish. Cause you owe it to the club for their investment in you. And, more importantly, you owe it to the fans.

I think that's an easy excuse from Dombs, who we know is quite a fan of diverting responsibility on to somebody else.

Yea well I did say he failed to man up and get on with his life didn't I?
I'd much rather have 55m back OR the CM we thought we were getting, too.
 

Updated Squad

25 Squad players (*Home grown)
1 Austin, Brandon Anthony*
2 Bentancur, Rodrigo
3 Bergwijn, Steven Charles
4 Davies, Benjamin Thomas*
5 Dier, Eric Jeremy Edgar
6 Doherty, Matthew James*
7 Gollini, Pierluigi
8 Højbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt
9 Heung-Min, Son
10 Kane, Harry*
11 Leite De Souza Junior, Emerson Aparecido
12 Lloris, Hugo
13 Omole, Adeleke Oluwatobiloba Adeyinka (tobi)*
14 Reguilon Rodriguez, Sergio
15 Rodon, Joseph Peter*
16 Rodrigues Moura Da Silva, Lucas
17 Romero, Cristian Gabriel
18 Sanchez Mina, Davinson
19 Tanganga, Japhet Manzambi*
20 Winks, Harry*

Comments :

Kulusevski still counts as an u21 player, as is Skipp

Tobi Omole (u21 CB) is over 21 and included in the squad as one of 8 HG players (for PL) the others being Brandon Austin, Matt Doherty, Japhet Tanganga, Joe Rodon, Ben Davies, Harry Winks and Harry Kane

Whiteman is over 21 but not included in the squad - strange he was not loaned out for experience
 
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Football365 are notorious for talking a lot of trash.

I don't see how Napoli, who don't need money, would sell Osimhen, who's done great for them, for less than they paid for him. It just doesn't make sense. But then again it's football we're talking about.

But yeah, F365 is clickbait garbabe.
 
Football365 are notorious for talking a lot of trash.

I don't see how Napoli, who don't need money, would sell Osimhen, who's done great for them, for less than they paid for him. It just doesn't make sense. But then again it's football we're talking about.

But yeah, F365 is clickbait garbabe.
Yep. His replacement at Lille (Jonathan David) would probably be more obtainable anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️ His agent has said he will leave in the summer…
 
Yep. His replacement at Lille (Jonathan David) would probably be more obtainable anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️ His agent has said he will leave in the summer…
Not to burst your bubble, but there's absolutely zero chance we'll get Jonathan David.

First, he's gonna cost a proper fortune. Lille paid 25 mil for him and according to several reports, they owe a decent % of the resale profit to his previous club. Lille sold Pepe to Woolwich for 72 mil and Osimhen to Napoli for 60. One could easily argue David is better than them two. So all things considered, I really don't see Lille selling him for less than 60-70 mil. Heck, they might even tell interested clubs it's minimum 80 mil or walk. Yes, the player wants to leave and they need the money cause of Covid blah blah blah...but still, he's under contract and they know somebody will put that money on the table. Or close enough. But Spurs won't be one of them.

Secondly, the player sees himself as a world class talent and as such, he wants his next adventure to be at a truly elite club. City, Bayern, Real, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea...maybe even PSG, though I seem to recall he's stated he'd prefer leaving Ligue 1. If Newcastle offer him an insane wage and make him their franchise player, he might give them some thinking. But Spurs? Nope.

To be clear, I'm not dissing my own club. I'm just trying to bring some context to the subject matter. And I'm in no way claiming I know what's in the player's head. But I think the above points are pretty reasonable punts.

But of course, should we manage to sign him, and at a very friendly price like 40-45 mil, you bet I'd be buzzing cause the kid has serious talent and upside. And he seems like a pretty level-headed, decent bloke too.

That being said, I think we'd be better off trying to unearth the next David through some great, clever scouting. If the likes of Ajax, Dortmund, Lille, Lyon and a few others can constantly find some exciting talents for cheap in the non-elite leagues, I don't see any reason we couldn't replicate the feat every now and then. We did it with Bale back in the day and with Dele more recently. More would be good
 
This is an asinine use of statistics though. Ndombele barely played. It's like saying Begwijn has a rate of 1 goal every 4 minutes based on the Leicester match.
The guy talking to me keeps using statistics based on this season. So the 486 minutes or so that ndombele played are the only ones we can go by. Even with all the 60 or so league games hes played for us, it comes to around 325 minutes per goal or assist.

If the new guys beat that, thats useful too. We know the likes of hojberg (1 per near 600 minutes), winks (1 every 1000+ minutes), skipp (hasnt had a goal or assist yet) wont do it.
 
Pogba just is and was so much better than Ndombele. They both have some attitude issues/problems when it comes to positional play, but peak Pogba was Ndombele's ceiling. In fact when Pogba does leave United I expect him to thrive anywhere else, he's genuinely a brilliant player.
But that's because you probably haven't discerned why it went wrong at ManU. And though I do believe Pogba an exceptionally talented player, I do not believe he will "thrive anywhere else" he goes. For all his technical ability and touch he is not a very press resistant player nor is he quick with the ball. And I'm not sure Pogba would have wanted to face the motivated Ndombele of Lyon.
Another example is how brilliant Pogba is for France. The most talented NT on the planet and they run everything through him, he's so often the main man. It's not like a GLC situation where he's just a working cog in the wheel, Pogba is the creative hub of that side.
Awful example. Truly fucking awful! France play absolute shit football (and I say that as somewhat of a Francophile) and would be better off jettisoning that tactical plan that bus-conductor bus-conductor is so intransigently fond of and moving to a more modern setup.
 
Awful example. Truly fucking awful! France play absolute shit football (and I say that as somewhat of a Francophile) and would be better off jettisoning that tactical plan that bus-conductor bus-conductor is so intransigently fond of and moving to a more modern setup.
It’s a talking point in France too. But expansive teams haven’t done well in euros or world cups for a while. International success is normally built on control and a feeling that you won’t concede when under pressure for 20 minutes. A few magic players and you’re set.

France were pretty majestic when they were winning a word cup in 2018 so there’s some merit to what they’re doing ;)
 
Not to burst your bubble, but there's absolutely zero chance we'll get Jonathan David.

First, he's gonna cost a proper fortune. Lille paid 25 mil for him and according to several reports, they owe a decent % of the resale profit to his previous club. Lille sold Pepe to Woolwich for 72 mil and Osimhen to Napoli for 60. One could easily argue David is better than them two. So all things considered, I really don't see Lille selling him for less than 60-70 mil. Heck, they might even tell interested clubs it's minimum 80 mil or walk. Yes, the player wants to leave and they need the money cause of Covid blah blah blah...but still, he's under contract and they know somebody will put that money on the table. Or close enough. But Spurs won't be one of them.

Secondly, the player sees himself as a world class talent and as such, he wants his next adventure to be at a truly elite club. City, Bayern, Real, Barca, Liverpool, Chelsea...maybe even PSG, though I seem to recall he's stated he'd prefer leaving Ligue 1. If Newcastle offer him an insane wage and make him their franchise player, he might give them some thinking. But Spurs? Nope.

To be clear, I'm not dissing my own club. I'm just trying to bring some context to the subject matter. And I'm in no way claiming I know what's in the player's head. But I think the above points are pretty reasonable punts.

But of course, should we manage to sign him, and at a very friendly price like 40-45 mil, you bet I'd be buzzing cause the kid has serious talent and upside. And he seems like a pretty level-headed, decent bloke too.

That being said, I think we'd be better off trying to unearth the next David through some great, clever scouting. If the likes of Ajax, Dortmund, Lille, Lyon and a few others can constantly find some exciting talents for cheap in the non-elite leagues, I don't see any reason we couldn't replicate the feat every now and then. We did it with Bale back in the day and with Dele more recently. More would be good
Well consider my bubble burst!
:mourshock:

Seriously though, agree that David will probably have his pick of top club and/or top $$, and we probably don't sit in either spot right now. Finding the next David/Bale/Dele (or Modric) is something we used to be pretty good at, hopefully the 'scouting reform' can bring that back...
 
But that's because you probably haven't discerned why it went wrong at ManU. And though I do believe Pogba an exceptionally talented player, I do not believe he will "thrive anywhere else" he goes. For all his technical ability and touch he is not a very press resistant player nor is he quick with the ball. And I'm not sure Pogba would have wanted to face the motivated Ndombele of Lyon.

Awful example. Truly fucking awful! France play absolute shit football (and I say that as somewhat of a Francophile) and would be better off jettisoning that tactical plan that bus-conductor bus-conductor is so intransigently fond of and moving to a more modern setup.

Pogba not press resistant? Players can’t touch him when he’s focused. His issue has always been motivation at United. Physically he can hold off any player and go past them in an instant. I’ve watched him in so many games for club and country where an opposition press can’t even touch him. He’ll just glide away from it. Pogba vs motivated Ndombele? Tough but the former has everything the latter has but more quality in the final third.

So France play pragmatic football, that doesn’t take anything away from my point. Pogba is still a monster for them and at the heart of everything good they have done in recent tournaments. They’ve still won a World Cup and reached the finals of the Euros. Who cares what they appear like, aesthetically? It’s been effective and he’s been key to it.

He was the best player at the Euros before France went out. So many games where he was unplayable. The issue is he is unbothered about United and they don’t have a place for him tactically.
 
It’s a talking point in France too. But expansive teams haven’t done well in euros or world cups for a while. International success is normally built on control and a feeling that you won’t concede when under pressure for 20 minutes. A few magic players and you’re set.
Yes, yes, duly noted and previously understood. But there's a hell of a chasm between what Deschamps is serving up, the point you're making, and the implied full-Ossie you're suggesting with 'expansive teams'. I'm not saying you need to go full Bielsa but most reasonable tacticians could get France playing something slighly more entertaining without sacrificing solidity...you know, considering their overwhelming talent advantage.

He's Nuno with bad teeth and hair. Give Herve Renard the job!!!! France doesn't have the stones to do that. Would be too much sexy on the sidelines with him and Giroud. *
France were pretty majestic when they were winning a word cup in 2018 so there’s some merit to what they’re doing ;)
If memory serves they played shit towards the back end of that cup. And again, don't forget the overwhelming talent advantage. Folks have made many a manager a legend when the reality shows they just had more talent...looking at you Mou!


*obvs taking the piss
 
If memory serves they played shit towards the back end of that cup. And again, don't forget the overwhelming talent advantage. Folks have made many a manager a legend when the reality shows they just had more talent...looking at you Mou!

Their talent advantage is overrated. England have a comparable starting 11 in terms of quality to France. Where France are exceptional is their depth of talent, but in a tournament which takes place over a short period of time this isn't all that important.

Very few to no international teams play particularly free flowing football. It's about being pragmatic and for the top sides allowing the individual quality to show. Pragmatic football is easier and simpler, and international coaches don't get much time to work with the players. Which isn't to say Deschamps is a great manager (not many great managers do international football) but he's done a more than acceptable job.
 
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