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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25

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Monday after a loss like that you expect to see either Ange sacked or furious amounts of transfer rumours.

What's the betting we see neither?

Ange post game press conference he said club working hard again but also, even just one player coming in would lift the squad.

The board clearly don't want to lift the squad at this point. They have seen the years that Son gave this club and decided, "nah fuck Son, our ego's are what matters, we are closed for business".

Don't think he will be sacked , levy is giving him massive benefit of the doubt due to injuries.

As for signings, I don't see anything but a last minute loan on Friday

I'm tired Robbie
 
The past few years have been POOR. I hold Levy responsible for three consecutive poor managerial appointments. He has got the past 4 years horribly wrong in my view, even if there are signs of a good strategy emerging again (young players, data driven approach).

However it would be stupid to ignore 21 years of incredible progress we made on and off the field before that.
Go to bed Daniel.
 
Monday after a loss like that you expect to see either Ange sacked or furious amounts of transfer rumours.

What's the betting we see neither?

Ange post game press conference he said club working hard again but also, even just one player coming in would lift the squad.

The board clearly don't want to lift the squad at this point. They have seen the years that Son gave this club and decided, "nah fuck Son, our ego's are what matters, we are closed for business".

I can't see any advantage in appointing any new manager when we have a number of injuries, so Ange is staying at least for now

Window doesn't close until Monday 3 February and most deals are done in last week of window, - so we may have another week to wait. I'd guess we still get another one or two joining.

And maybe 8 players currently on injury list back fit during February.
 
I can't see any advantage in appointing any new manager when we have a number of injuries, so Ange is staying at least for now

Window doesn't close until Monday 3 February and most deals are done in last week of window, - so we may have another week to wait. I'd guess we still get another one or two joining.

And maybe 8 players currently on injury list back fit during February.

Agree.

But we aren't done with this rough patch yet. We will have some players fit for Elfsborg (Maddison, Bissouma) and should get a win but Brentford is going to be very tough and also a very difficult decision with Liverpool the week after.

Do you play Romero and VDV vs Brentford but then have to play them several days later AT Anfield when they haven't played for Months? No chance Richy's body can handle starting Brentford away and then Liverpool away in a week, if he's not already injured now...

I think realistically we need 3 players through the door before Brentford who can make an immediate impact on the team.

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The past few years have been POOR. I hold Levy responsible for three consecutive poor managerial appointments. He has got the past 4 years horribly wrong in my view, even if there are signs of a good strategy emerging again (young players, data driven approach).

However it would be stupid to ignore 21 years of incredible progress we made on and off the field before that.

Signing young players and using data isn't a strategy, its what almost all modern clubs do. Signing a bunch of teenagers and leaving your squad massively weak in numerous areas, likely alienating and actually damaging the health of numerous senior players, is definitely not a strategy.

The club is in a massive crisis and you're sat here going "Ooo good signs lads, we've signed up the local nursery, we'll be world conquering in approximately 15 years!". Shilling on levels that has never been seen before.
 
Agree.

But we aren't done with this rough patch yet. We will have some players fit for Elfsborg (Maddison, Bissouma) and should get a win but Brentford is going to be very tough and also a very difficult decision with Liverpool the week after.

Do you play Romero and VDV vs Brentford but then have to play them several days later AT Anfield when they haven't played for Months? No chance Richy's body can handle starting Brentford away and then Liverpool away in a week, if he's not already injured now...

I think realistically we need 3 players through the door before Brentford who can make an immediate impact on the team.

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CM
CF

The board aren't signing players for Ange, they're going to hope he limps through to the end of the season without sending us down and then hire someone.

The clown is a dead man walking and he knows it. Liverpool are sending us out the league cup even if you spend a billion on players between now and then.
 
Agree.

But we aren't done with this rough patch yet. We will have some players fit for Elfsborg (Maddison, Bissouma) and should get a win but Brentford is going to be very tough and also a very difficult decision with Liverpool the week after.

Do you play Romero and VDV vs Brentford but then have to play them several days later AT Anfield when they haven't played for Months? No chance Richy's body can handle starting Brentford away and then Liverpool away in a week, if he's not already injured now...

I think realistically we need 3 players through the door before Brentford who can make an immediate impact on the team.

CB
CM
CF

In terms of players coming back from injury, I suspect Ange and medics will have agreed a come bavcck schedule - maybe 45 mins, 60 mins and 90 mins in each of first 3 matches back or similar, and that only if the players have been in full training for 1 - 2 weeks so doubt if we will see Van de Ven until Liverpool unless we are pretty lucky.

Given how few players have been moving in January so far, I doubt we can get more than one or two decent quality players in (players aren't available, and many clubs want new signings) - my preference would be a goalscoring versatile forward and left sided defender.
 
Have a hunch Woolwich might go for him as well if they move on from legohead.
Why would Woolwich sack Arteta who has them in 2nd, for a manager who has dragged a club of our caliber into the fringes of a relegation battle?

Ange wont be employed again in the English topflight. Wasn't long ago he was rumored to be on the short list to replace Klopp at Liverpool or Pep at Man City. He has done nothing to suggest he is a serious manager with the pedigree for a title challenging team to look at him. The novelty has worn off.
 
In terms of players coming back from injury, I suspect Ange and medics will have agreed a come bavcck schedule - maybe 45 mins, 60 mins and 90 mins in each of first 3 matches back or similar, and that only if the players have been in full training for 1 - 2 weeks so doubt if we will see Van de Ven until Liverpool unless we are pretty lucky.

Given how few players have been moving in January so far, I doubt we can get more than one or two decent quality players in (players aren't available, and many clubs want new signings) - my preference would be a goalscoring versatile forward and left sided defender.

Same.

We needed the left sided defender at the start of the season. If we had got that done, a lot of these cascading injuries may have been avoidable.

Forward is just blindingly obvious. Ange had to take Richy off because of his groin today. It's not unreasonable to think he might never complete 90mins at this club again.

The board aren't signing players for Ange, they're going to hope he limps through to the end of the season without sending us down and then hire someone.

The clown is a dead man walking and he knows it. Liverpool are sending us out the league cup even if you spend a billion on players between now and then.

If you have a DOF, you don't sign players for managers, you sign players for your squad and then recruit a manager for the squad you built.

The players this squad needs wouldn't be any different under any manager who wants to play front foot football in some variation of 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. I get that the idea of a manager coming in is exciting and all the players they want is important but that's a thing of the past. And tbh whatever people want to say about Ange, we haven't signed many bad players since he arrived so it's not like it would be a risk to involve him in the players signed this month.
 
If you have a DOF, you don't sign players for managers, you sign players for your squad and then recruit a manager for the squad you built.

The players this squad needs wouldn't be any different under any manager who wants to play front foot football in some variation of 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. I get that the idea of a manager coming in is exciting and all the players they want is important but that's a thing of the past. And tbh whatever people want to say about Ange, we haven't signed many bad players since he arrived so it's not like it would be a risk to involve him in the players signed this month.

Its nothing to do with that. You overpay in January and have to rush signings through. The top targets are likely not available. You don't do that when the season is a write off. If you think these owners are going to gamble on signings to boost our chances of a trophy you're on something.

The season is effectively over. We will probably avoid relegation, especially when players are back, and eventually go out of the cups. The owners aren't going to rush to invest money now in our current state, they'll wait till the air is cleared in the summer and go again.

And yes, of course you don't sign players for managers, but managers do OK signings and have some level of influence, of course FFS. And if we were to bring in an Iraola etc, he may want us to bring along some talent from Bournemouth. This isn't a stick or twist position, Ange is dead. They're just waiting for the right moment to chuck his corpse overboard.
 
Signing young players and using data isn't a strategy, its what almost all modern clubs do. Signing a bunch of teenagers and leaving your squad massively weak in numerous areas, likely alienating and actually damaging the health of numerous senior players, is definitely not a strategy.

The club is in a massive crisis and you're sat here going "Ooo good signs lads, we've signed up the local nursery, we'll be world conquering in approximately 15 years!". Shilling on levels that has never been seen before.
Signing young players is a strategy. Compare and contrast with signing experienced, win-now players. Eg Real Madrid (the club version of France).

It’s strange of you to ignore the clear criticism in my post to focus on the positive. I never thought I’d see the day. You’re a changed man after your latest binning and I’m here for it!
 
Its nothing to do with that. You overpay in January and have to rush signings through. The top targets are likely not available. You don't do that when the season is a write off. If you think these owners are going to gamble on signings to boost our chances of a trophy you're on something.

The season is effectively over. We will probably avoid relegation, especially when players are back, and eventually go out of the cups. The owners aren't going to rush to invest money now in our current state, they'll wait till the air is cleared in the summer and go again.

And yes, of course you don't sign players for managers, but managers do OK signings and have some level of influence, of course FFS. And if we were to bring in an Iraola etc, he may want us to bring along some talent from Bournemouth. This isn't a stick or twist position, Ange is dead. They're just waiting for the right moment to chuck his corpse overboard.

It's not like the players you bring in January would complete the squad. This squad build is 6 players short at least.

Sure a new manager will give final OK on players coming in but the days of Harry Redknapp bringing 3 top lads from Pompey are done. If Bournemouth are still flying by the end of the season and Iraola is still flavour of the month and we take him, Bournemouth aren't then saying "sure, take Semenyo and Zabarnyi whilst you are at it". Ten Hag was the last high profile manager to go into a club and get old players...that didn't go too well.

I don't expect this board to have the ambition to sign players for trophy hunts but they need to look at the threat of finishing 15th or worse and get these players some help. This is the most physical league in the world and even if we go out the LC, we aren't going out the EL anytime soon. This injury crisis won't magic itself away if we keep losing players as soon as we get other s back because nobody can get a rest from playing every 3 days.
 
Signing young players is a strategy. Compare and contrast with signing experienced, win-now players. Eg Real Madrid (the club version of France).

It’s strange of you to ignore the clear criticism in my post to focus on the positive. I never thought I’d see the day. You’re a changed man after your latest binning and I’m here for it!

Madrid sign young players. They just don't overload with young players because that's not remotely how you achieve squad balance, as we've seen this season. They signed Endrick and Guler pretty bloody recently. City hoover up young talent too. Its not some smart play and if that's all we've got in terms of "positives" then we're fucking thin on the ground.

Achieving squad balance by finding in their prime/approaching their prime talent and blending it with some youth and experience is enviable and hard to achieve, and usually requires actual strategies which aren't 1+1=2. We almost had perfectly squad balance under Pochettino, barring one really top level in their prime match winning 'star' like a Bale.
 
It's not like the players you bring in January would complete the squad. This squad build is 6 players short at least.

Sure a new manager will give final OK on players coming in but the days of Harry Redknapp bringing 3 top lads from Pompey are done. If Bournemouth are still flying by the end of the season and Iraola is still flavour of the month and we take him, Bournemouth aren't then saying "sure, take Semenyo and Zabarnyi whilst you are at it". Ten Hag was the last high profile manager to go into a club and get old players...that didn't go too well.

I don't expect this board to have the ambition to sign players for trophy hunts but they need to look at the threat of finishing 15th or worse and get these players some help. This is the most physical league in the world and even if we go out the LC, we aren't going out the EL anytime soon. This injury crisis won't magic itself away if we keep losing players as soon as we get other s back because nobody can get a rest from playing every 3 days.

The board don't care. They will not panic spend in this window to have a better shot at the league cup or to maybe finish 12th instead of 15th. They are now looking at this season as essentially dead and their efforts will be directed at frantically working out who comes in for the summer and planning to spend then, on players the new manager will have a chance to get the final nod on. ENIC aren't going to lift a finger to help out this coach.

Hitchens was a nob but he was right that january is a hard window to do good business in. City have managed it by spending massive money. Its a window nobody wants to sell in, sometimes an opportunity arises but that's it. Anything now will be some panic button hit, not players thoroughly scouted and selected by the DoF. They'll at best be the 4th or 5th choices who we overpay for. Worth it if you're pushing over the line for top four to ENIC, but not for this.
 
Madrid sign young players. They just don't overload with young players because that's not remotely how you achieve squad balance, as we've seen this season. They signed Endrick and Guler pretty bloody recently. City hoover up young talent too. Its not some smart play and if that's all we've got in terms of "positives" then we're fucking thin on the ground.

Achieving squad balance by finding in their prime/approaching their prime talent and blending it with some youth and experience is enviable and hard to achieve, and usually requires actual strategies which aren't 1+1=2. We almost had perfectly squad balance under Pochettino, barring one really top level in their prime match winning 'star' like a Bale.
Right - but a squad isn’t built in a day.

We keep adding younger players but we have many who have experience (Son, Davies, Forster) and many others who should be in their prime... Vicario, Maddison, Bissouma, Solanke, Richarlison, Romero, Bentancur….

Others very close like Porro and Kulu.

You don’t achieve squad balance by buying the perfect ages… it’s like a good red… you buy them and let them mature a few years… as long as you keep putting more bottles in the cellar, you’ll always have something to drink.

Things have been really bad this season in the league (pretty good in the cups). But there’s no way this squad should be finishing 15th.

The simple solution is people saying the reason we’re there is because our squad is shit. Clearly not true and noone saw this coming at the start of the season.
 
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