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It's really 3 good and one decent out of the 4 permanent signings that we've had enough time to assess (not claiming Kinski yet) which is an excellent hit rate. Werner was clearly a stop-gap so willing to let that one slide, although high salary (based on what's reported and assuming we're paying 100%) undermines that a bit.
I don't usually rate a new player on one match, but Kinsky's performance was something else, given he must have been nervous on his debut in probably a bigger stadium with a bigger crowd that he'd ever played before - although to be fair with the experience of about 10 CL matches under his belt, he might have been able to persuade himself it was just another match. He made one or two minor errors but recovered well from them .... and finished with a clean sheet despite having a makeshift defence (who performed well) in front of him.
From what I saw, the reputation and his stats the description of 'Kinsky is also a strong shot-stopper, as all goalkeepers must be. He ranks first across all of Europe's top 10 leagues in save percentage, goals conceded per 90, and clean sheets in league play (the Czech league is the ninth-best league in Europe according to UEFA coefficient)' look to be founded on reality. So IMO its just a question of timing when people decide we've bought an excellent goalkeeper at an age before many play regularly, and on that basis may get even better in the next few years.
I'm just an early convert on Kinsky
HIs performance will probably flip flop every time his signings perform or don't perform, but genuinely he does look like he has an eye for a top young talent. Or at least he is able to bring them in to the club, which is great.
Bergvall looks like a potential future superstar and Gray does too to be fair. Kinsky looks a top signing but of course way too early to judge. Solanke top signing. Werner, awful signing. Odobert, not enough games to judge, but so far his signing has been a complete waste and he looks like being out for the season.
I don't think we can dispute he has brought some good young talent in, but last summer for me was still an anbsmal failure to only bring in one senior player to bolster the side.
We had the whole summer to sign a wide attacker and we ended up with Werner (shit) and Odobert (injured for the season). So in essence we completely failed to strengthen our biggest need last summer. Nowhere near good enough, and despite my issues with Ange's management, I felt he was hung out to dry with our summer business.
So for me Lange still has it all to prove. He needs to bring in more Solanke type signings but out wide, to really take this team up a level.
Bergvall looks like a potential future superstar and Gray does too to be fair. Kinsky looks a top signing but of course way too early to judge. Solanke top signing. Werner, awful signing. Odobert, not enough games to judge, but so far his signing has been a complete waste and he looks like being out for the season.
I don't think we can dispute he has brought some good young talent in, but last summer for me was still an anbsmal failure to only bring in one senior player to bolster the side.
We had the whole summer to sign a wide attacker and we ended up with Werner (shit) and Odobert (injured for the season). So in essence we completely failed to strengthen our biggest need last summer. Nowhere near good enough, and despite my issues with Ange's management, I felt he was hung out to dry with our summer business.
So for me Lange still has it all to prove. He needs to bring in more Solanke type signings but out wide, to really take this team up a level.
I agree with a lot of this but I don’t understand how Lange could be responsible for Odobert’s injury?
He could have signed peak Messi and if the boy gets injured, he’s injured.
and Odobert had played most of the season for both a PL and Ligue 1 club (so no injuries in last 2 seasons) which at aged 19, is phenomenally good experience.
Odobert has only played twice for Spurs and looked decent, need him to play a lot more before really evaluating him, but certainly no blame on Lange for him being injured - that's just a ridiculous idea
With that and Odeberg (and Rich) being out all season (so far) it's been a real cunt...... No way Werner was intended to play any where near as much as he has.
I am not blaming him for the injury? My point is, Lange should have signed a top wide attacker + Odobert. That way, we would have been covered if one got injured.
Instead we signed Werner who we knew was shit, and a young kid. Nowhere near good enough. We were left short by our summer business in that area of the team.
Also even if Odobert hadn't got injured, based on his limited appearances, he really didn't look close to making an impact. Then again, he could have improved over the course of the season, we just won't know. We won't be able to judge Odobert for a long time, but Lange failed in terms of stregthening us with wide attackers over the summer.
Mikey Moore
And Son.
Put Kulusevski and Johnson into that and there's 6 players to cover 2 positions.
Having said that, I do agree that Werner was a mistake, though I can see the reasoning behind it, even stated in the Summer window that he was a stop gap whilst Moore developed.
I still say we should have gone for it with Nico Williams though. He may well want Barca, but we never really tested his resolve on that. He'd have been massive for us IMO.
Relying on a 17 year old was not bad luck.
Who said we were reliant on him?
No, but with Son, Odobert, Richarlison, Kulusevski, Johnson, all considered options as WFs in the summer, it explains why we loaned a temp LWF so as not block Moore's route to the first team.
Give your head a real wobble.
Most of even the biggest clubs in the world would have been delighted to sign Bergvall, Kinsky and Gray given how they are performing.
Of course lots of 'I want instant success' followers want ready made stars but that's not real life for the vast majority of clubs. But I can understand why you follow ManCty, just not why you bother posting on a Spurs forum.
He has a point - we should be bringing in a healthy mix of promising kids and more established players. Why we ever stopped buying promise from the championship like Gray, Bowen, Watkins etc etc I have no idea. Our top 6 rivals never shopped in that pool really so we would have had free run at almost all
Seriously, you can't judge any of Yang, Odobert, Vuskovic, or Kinsky yet.
Solanke, Gray, Bergvall, looks like good signings.
The ones you could discuss are Dragusin and Werner. And i wouldn't consider Dragusin a bad signing, yet!
So that's 7 out of 9 you could say are or may be good signings.
But whilst I don't think Richarlison was ever going to be a good buy, he was bought for Conte (and his criteria for a player may not be mine) and is an established PL player and Brazil international but he has only performed well for about 3 months when he seemed to score every game, the other 2 years he's been poor. And his injury record has been a long way worse than at Everton. And his injuries have been a real issue for Spurs plus of course he has no interest in moving to Saudi where we might get back most of our money.
And Odobert on the back of 2 seasons in PL and French top league is not an untried youngster - and he had no injuries in last 2 seasons.
Bissouma's form has been inconsistent, Bentancur has been unlucky with injuries plus his 7 game sabatical
Nobody is to blame , but its the established players who have not been available.
That is why Spurs have played the youngsrters more than probably intended - and I'm delighted to say have looked good
But to those who say 'we must buy more established players ...... why, cos the current established players are not always available due to injury and form ? Thats not on Spurs nor on the players always either,
Its more about a small number of fans who seem to think they are entitled to instant success.
Talk to ManU fans for example - a much bigger wealthy, more famous club than Spurs, but they would be delighted with our squad ... warts and all ...... as its better than theirs !
Not too shabby and long may it continue