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Manager Jose Mourinho
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Awww, this was cute x
Nuno was a shocking hire but Conte at least bought us an extra year of Kane
I never said that, there is no doubt for some of the players signed down the years were Levy's choice but that's not we were talking about/
I'm not making that claim, you are, I simply said he had a hand in signing good players.
So you are implying yourself, that all the players he signed weren't his choices while saying HAHAH.... You are hilarious.... What happened to your "Levy picks all the players" bleating of old?????
Again that has nothing to do with what I said.
Not ignore the rot, certainly improve recruitment and certainly don't sack him because he had a indifferent quarter of a season. You asked me who he improved and I listed those players for you. You obviously thought he hardly improved anyone otherwise you wouldn't ask such a question.
Two players...what were their comments?
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As you can see we won against Soton the previous match after Brighton a draw against Watford, a narrow lose at Anfield where we scored first and Aurier gave away a penalty, then another two draws when Poch had supposedly LOST the dressing room, hardly evidence. Don't me get wrong I would have loved to have won those games but at least we got some points.
What rumor mill? show me your sources.
I'm not concerned with what other EPL clubs do with their managers, Im concerned with what we do. We got rid a manager who got us to the CL final and when we sacked we had only lost 3 games that season, should Ange be sacked if we don't finish higher than last season then?
Wow even more ruthless than Levy! Who would you have hired?
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I'm simply saying that the more involvement Poch had in our signings -the more influence he gained; the worse it became (the timeline of him being promoted to manager from head coach and the dissolving of the DOF role backs this up).
Citing the likes of Davies & Dele (and Dier who granted you didn't mentione) as Poch-signings even though they were already clearly in the pipeline when he arrived is hardly straight shooting on your part.
(In fairness; yes Wanyama was blatantly a Poch-guy, but people in certain convos equally insist on creditting Paul Mitchel for Trippier, Toby & Son.)
It doesn't have to... It's me reiterating/clarrifying what I'd previously said that you'd then represented another way.
"Indifferent quarter of a season"? LOL... Come on.
Since the 2018/19 summer I'd been saying that our recruitment team needed a complete rebuild and I've made no bones about the fact that the buck stops with Levy for that not happening; but Poch not wanting a DOF would have been a spanner in the works for that happening or not.... Jose subseqently arriving was probably a further barrier to that happening in a timely fashion too as he also would have relished the greater influence.
Even accepting that; Paratici still arrived roughly 2/3 years later than he should have.
I didn't "simply" ask you that at all... There was a great deal of context to that question.....
Again; no need to project; I asked a question specific to the context of my comments that you'd rejected.
Poch did improve some players.... Try as much as you might to project that I've said otherwise, I haven't......
BUT he improved virtually none of those came through the door after 2015/2016 whilst poorly managing Sanchez & Davies in favour of two players that were no longer our future, fucked Trippier off after an injury hit season (a player who many here have mourned ever since), dicked Moura out of a CL final start etc, nearly sold Dembele cos he didn't see what he brought. His ethos on player development clearly morphed during his time here.
Kieran Trippier tells Man United what Mauricio Pochettino lacks
Newcastle United defender Kieran Trippier discusses Mauricio Pochettino's managerial credentials as he continues to be linked with the Man United job.
www.sportsjoe.ie
Kieran Trippier hits out at Daniel Levy and Mauricio Pochettino over Tottenham exit
Kieran Trippier has hit out at Mauricio Pochettino and Daniel Levy over the manner of his exit from Tottenham, saying they failed to disclose their plans to sell him.
He also made some comments regarding harmony, but I can't find them now and said he had some form of damning secret to reveal (which will probably never be revealed now as apparently he & Poch have made up).
Sissoko quotes were about the mood in the camp and Poch being dour; but if someone knows how to succesfully find 5 year old twitter stuff then they're a better man than I.
The fact that I'm merely citing it as "the rumour mill" is me not pretending to have a quotable source by itself to begin with.... It's called trying to be honest and discuss things in good faith.
2 things:
1. "At least we got some points"???? What kind of mooshy sentiment is that? .......The hard facts is that we were sat in 14th.
2. I cited 12 months of declining point accumulation (inc. a completely rancid away record; no away wins since Dec 2018 or something dreadful like that)... That's not an "Indifferent quarter of a season".
I'm not expecting you to...... I'm simply saying that 20 years of EPL history paints you as being somewhat unrealstic in expecting it to happen if you look at our form since Jan 2019.
Then perhaps (as I've pointed towards) there was something more than points tally behind the sacking then?
Not "ruthless" at all (bad faith interpretation on your part too considering that I've said multiple times above that at the time I wanted him to stay!)....
I just think (with the benefit of hindsight!) that had the right conversations took place in summer 2019; Poch and Levy would (should) have agreed that it would be better to part ways on a relative high; rather than Poch attempt to start a rebuild that he no longer had the stomach for. I believe that would have been better than what transpired. That's not "ruthless" on my part any way.
.........Sadly, such a conversations didn't transpire and the chance of a clean break and a full pre-season with whoever the next man was going to be was gone.
Perhaps that's lack of insight on Levy's part?
Some further reading; should you fancy.....
Spurs’ sacking of Mauricio Pochettino was brutal but oddly inevitable | Barney Ronay
Argentinian achieved remarkable things at a club where he spent less than most while juggling the move to new stadium
www.theguardian.com
Irrelevant question. As I keep telling you; feelings towards Jose have no bearing on the facts of Poch's tenure.
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Holy fuck Airflix with another wall of text post that nobody will ever read
Winning the argument by breaking down every single word in your post in to paragraphed sections until you walk away out of sheer boredom.
Yeh, we're not all as efficient in achieving tedium as you.
Do people actually get off on that shite?
Even the other positivity merchants think you're a bloody dullard.
Nah, was kidding .. there's white text in there.
How’s it going Sammy?
I do think it was a mistake not to get DOF, other earlier signings include Stambouli, Fazio, GKN, Njie, Pau Lopez, Yedlin, Wimmer, 7 players who didn't make it when he had less influence.
it's straight shooting to me especially as you laugh at the notion of Levy signing players
It should do, otherwise you're just going off on your own tangent and not addressing what I said
With only a quarter of the season, the season didn't finish in November. End of 2018 finished 4th, one point behind Chavs in 3rd, got to the semi final of the EFL and to a CL final. Yes it would have been great to win something but you don't think that was a good season?
The oppotunity was there to hire a DOF, Mourinho appeared open to it, we were strongly linked to Luis Campos.
'Luis Campos is doing his great career with Monaco and Lille. And that's it.
'I work at Tottenham with the structure that the club wants me to work.'
Jose Mourinho insists Luis Campos deal to Tottenham is not up to him
Jose Mourinho insists it will not be his decision whether his friend Luis Campos follows him into Tottenham as director of football. Campos has been linked with a move to Spurs.
No there wasnt a great deal of context at all.
You asked ME which players he improved. You didn't initally say he improved any players. You implied he hadn't improved any players at all hence the question,
Now you argue he didn't improve Tripper or Moura. So Tripper didn't player better with us than he did with Burnley? Moura didn't play better with us than he did at PSG?
So no evidence that he lost the dressing room then despite you saying so. Tripper quote is certainly not evidence. Sissoko if he said those things woould be around on other sources besides twittterKieran Trippier tells Man United what Mauricio Pochettino lacks
Newcastle United defender Kieran Trippier discusses Mauricio Pochettino's managerial credentials as he continues to be linked with the Man United job.
Kieran Trippier hits out at Daniel Levy and Mauricio Pochettino over Tottenham exit
Kieran Trippier has hit out at Mauricio Pochettino and Daniel Levy over the manner of his exit from Tottenham, saying they failed to disclose their plans to sell him.www.skysports.com
He also made some comments regarding harmony, but I can't find them now and said he had some form of damning secret to reveal (which will probably never be revealed now as apparently he & Poch have made up).
Sissoko quotes were about the mood in the camp and Poch being dour; but if someone knows how to succesfully find 5 year old twitter stuff then they're a better man than I.
The fact that I'm merely citing it as "the rumour mill" is me not pretending to have a quotable source by itself to begin with.... It's called trying to be honest and discuss things in good faith.
Poch got sacked in Nov 2019, as I said an indifferent quarter of the season.
Certainly it was NOT him losing the dressing room as you claimed. I think Mourinho became available again after many years and he thought he would be able to do better with the squad than Poch did, he was after a quick fix.
Yes ruthless to sack a manager that finishes 4th, gets to a CL final and a EFL semi final, not better for Poch to part waves because Jose was his replacement and it's entirely relavant that I ask you who you would have chosen, if you wanted Poch gone in the summer. You are contradicting yourself how can you want him to stay when you would have got rid of him the summer?Not "ruthless" at all (bad faith interpretation on your part too considering that I've said multiple times above that at the time I wanted him to stay!)....
I just think (with the benefit of hindsight!) that had the right conversations took place in summer 2019; Poch and Levy would (should) have agreed that it would be better to part ways on a relative high; rather than Poch attempt to start a rebuild that he no longer had the stomach for. I believe that would have been better than what transpired. That's not "ruthless" on my part any way.
.........Sadly, such a conversations didn't transpire and the chance of a clean break and a full pre-season with whoever the next man was going to be was gone.
Perhaps that's lack of insight on Levy's part?
Some further reading; should you fancy.....
Spurs’ sacking of Mauricio Pochettino was brutal but oddly inevitable | Barney Ronay
Argentinian achieved remarkable things at a club where he spent less than most while juggling the move to new stadium
Irrelevant question. As I keep telling you; feelings towards Jose have no bearing on the facts of Poch's tenure.
It was a thing of beauty. The fact that he is so hurt over it warms my soul. One of the worst-performing managers in our modern history (51.16% win percentage). He would have absolutely been sacked were it not for one but TWO lockdowns. No manager that preceded him in our history had spent as much as him (Conte went on to spend even more).
The only thing I long for is to have these facts presented to him when he's interviewed. By constantly harping on about being sacked before a Cup Final means he's rewriting history, his version, the version that under him we would have won the final. He needs to be challenged on this, reminded of his factual and woeful record, where he stacks up against our other managers for comparison, that his entire time here was a failure, that his football was shit, that he delivered the most humiliating defeat of our entire history against a side who's manager was in prison for fraud. When the real fraudster was stood in our dugout. I want to see a pundit/journalist with some actual balls and read out his crimes to football that he committed as our manager. (Oh! We won just two football matches in our run to the final that year, we got a Bye in our first round (3rd round proper) against Orient (the lowest ranked team at that stage in the comp because that had multiple COVID cases), we DREW the match vs a Frank Lampard Chavs and won the penalty shoot-out, we beat Stoke (the lowest ranked team in the comp left), we beat Brentford (the lowest ranked team left).
Fucking dinosaur cunt.
No other manager that I can recall has a private army of supporters, that are for all intense and purpose a cult. They absolutely do not support the Club he manages, they only support him. This alone makes the situation totally bizarre but is the reason why he torches a football Club that he manages. For every single loss is defended by his hoards and the blame laid at the foot of the players, the Club, the ownership, the media, in fact, everyone other than the man himself who's paid the big bucks and has the ultimate responsibility.
Ange seems to have one.