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Manager Jose Mourinho

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For Jose to win, he kinda needs the best team & insane amounts of cash influx on the regular. Would never ever be able to take a say Villa, Marseille or Stuttgart to the domestic title, let alone winning the CL. Same could be said of Pep and Klopp tbh. The Not-So-Special-One.

Porto: arguably the biggest club in Portugal, always a European force, had a brilliant generation to work with and could sign reinforcements for big wads. But yeah fair enough, weren't at their scintillating best when he got there & won two European comps incl big mighty CL in 2 years​
Chelsea v1: unless you was born in the 2010s, surely I don't need to explain?​
Inter: poor Jose, had such a poor squad and the competition was so fierce in Serie A. But yeah won the CL...after getting 2 wins outta 6 in a group composed of Barca and superpowers Rubin Kazan & Dynamo Kiev​
Yeah, he’s a busted flush now but his record with these three teams elevates him well above ordinary.

Porto are one of the biggest teams in Portugal — perennial contenders and CL qualifiers but it’s still Portugal and he took an underperforming team to a record breaking Portuguese title and back-to-back European silverware.

That Inter team had no right winning the CL but they did. Maybe it was Sneijder being in the best form of his life.

I didn’t like the football but football is a results oriented business and he certainly delivered results.
 


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He did? .....Which ones?

Those who have spoken of Poch being part of the reason they signed:

Ndombele
GLC
Aurier
Jansen
Foyth
Lorente
Sanchez (iirc?)

...By all means add to the list for me and tell me what ones of them he improved.



I've not claimed he wasn't a good coach.



You implied Ange's rebuild is "painful".

For you perhaps.....



"Was" being the operative word. He'd lost the dressing room; regardless of what one thinks of Jose & Co.



To what ends?

We were sat at 14th and the performances were awful........ Our form had been shit since Jan 2019 (even at home to Ajax and the bulk of the away tie we were crap!)..... But, give him another 15-odd new players anyway and then just hope that he was in no way part of the problem?

............When has football ever worked that way in the last 20+ years?



Look; my point here isn't to just idly trash Poch. The fact remains; regardless of who replaced him, the circumstances of his exit have nothing to with whom came next.
Not necessarily relevant to this conversation, but I never thought the word painful was used in the sense that we would have to suffer on the pitch for it, either by way of poor results or quality of football, I thought Poch meant it as in painful to part with players who had been fixtures in a previously successful squad to make way for new blood.

It was around the time that we were clinging on to players and tying them down to new deals, whilst maybe Poch would have preferred to sell and re-invest.

No comment on whether I think he would have done a good job of it.

Anyway, to cut back to my initial point, the rebuild can still be "painful" despite the good vibes on the pitch, depending on how attached you are to the likes of PEH, Dier, etc...

Also noting that back when Poch said it he would potentially have been referring to the likes of Toby, Rose, Lamela, Dele, who knows who else.
 
Not necessarily relevant to this conversation, but I never thought the word painful was used in the sense that we would have to suffer on the pitch for it, either by way of poor results or quality of football, I thought Poch meant it as in painful to part with players who had been fixtures in a previously successful squad to make way for new blood.

It was around the time that we were clinging on to players and tying them down to new deals, whilst maybe Poch would have preferred to sell and re-invest.

No comment on whether I think he would have done a good job of it.

I though Poch was just being a bit emo....... "Painful" to let go of guys that he'd bonded with and become attached to. He'd already shown he struggled to by relinquising a certain amount of authority to Rose & Toby......

That's the prob with Poch's pressers though... Too waffley and whimsical.
 
I though Poch was just being a bit emo....... "Painful" to let go of guys that he'd bonded with and become attached to. He'd already shown he struggled to by relinquising a certain amount of authority to Rose & Toby......

That's the prob with Poch's pressers though... Too waffley and whimsical.
I preferred that to the occasions where he'd get a face like a slapped arse and moan about being the coach rather than the manager, or when things were going well and he'd allow the media to stir the pot by being vague as opposed to quashing talk of interest from Utd etc.

There was a lot of annoying stuff about him tbh that you would be willing to gloss over because on the pitch things were better than they had been in yonks.

A lot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth we'd be ROFLing ourselves silly if we'd heard it from Arteta.
 
I preferred that to the occasions where he'd get a face like a slapped arse and moan about being the coach rather than the manager, or when things were going well and he'd allow the media to stir the pot by being vague as opposed to quashing talk of interest from Utd etc.

There was a lot of annoying stuff about him tbh that you would be willing to gloss over because on the pitch things were better than they had been in yonks.

A lot of the stuff that comes out of his mouth we'd be ROFLing ourselves silly if we'd heard it from Arteta.

Indeed.... As much as I cite these things; I'm reticent to be too outright critical as I completely appreciate that he WAS very good for us.

As I've often said; the new gaff is the house that Poch helped build.... All that CL money wasn't on the horizon otherwise; nor expected of him.

Sucks that he got in bed with the Chavs as a lot of the fanbase won't get over it.
 
Yeah, he’s a busted flush now but his record with these three teams elevates him well above ordinary.

Porto are one of the biggest teams in Portugal — perennial contenders and CL qualifiers but it’s still Portugal and he took an underperforming team to a record breaking Portuguese title and back-to-back European silverware.

That Inter team had no right winning the CL but they did. Maybe it was Sneijder being in the best form of his life.

I didn’t like the football but football is a results oriented business and he certainly delivered results.
You're pretty much paraphrasing my original post 😄 I think I was quite balanced actually or thought I was about his time at Porto and Inter. Anyway, no harm done 😚

My main point still stands, though...in that he wouldn't be able to take a Brighton or Hoffenheim to glory. To get those big results, Jose needs a team used to the top 3 and an unlimited line of credit.

Obviously the guy is entitled to his decisions and to keep working, but really he should've called it a day after United or us. He's a dinosaur, he's not evolved, still the same old boring football on the pitch and aggro with refs & media. He should've been banned for a long friggin time after what he did to that ref in that parking lot. Heck, even Fergie & Wenger knew when it was time to ride into the sunset.
 
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