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Manager Jose Mourinho

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£15m...

The things I could with that type of cash. He will walk out of this position and be paid for the remainder.

That type of business is absurd. If you could guarantee a PL title for that money, than ok, but not for this shit.
 
Stag said:
So with that in mind, what does a club do when the players stop responding to that style of coaching? How do you keep the good times rolling and the same identity?
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Ask Dortmund if they think that not fighting to keep Klopp was a mistake or not. Right now Levy would bight your hand off to have Poch back.

It's expensive though, it means if the manager (your best one in decades) says that the team needs to be refreshed then you let him refresh it.



So almost every professional (ex-pro or good jorno) now question Jose on these comments of his. The only people I've seen agree with him are some fans, presumably the same ones that still think he's a "winner" and he will have us win the League and CL.
 
Guido said:
Same group of players who also challenged for 3 PL's and a CL. Same group of players who have been the best Spurs players I've watched in my 45yrs watching Spurs paly.

Pep's Bayern & Klopp's Dortmund also failed to respond to their management in their final months. It happens when the coach is ultra intensive and the groups largely stays the same. The message is the same, the work intensity is the same. We didn't get a look at Poch behind closed doors but I've seen some footage of Klopp, Pep, Bielsa training sessions and they are brutal physically plus you've got the coach (and his assistants) in your face screaming at you one minute and the next all turning smiles and an arm around you.
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Pep and Klopp won things at their clubs.
Similar age to you but 81-84 were the best sides I have seen and they won things.
87 David Pleat side was the best football I have seen at Spurs by a long way but didn.t win anything.
Poch hung onto underachievers for too long and his main mistake was not getting in a leader on the pitch whether it was his fault or not being backed we will never know.
Hopefully we will find out in the Amazon series I just hope it is similar to the Sunderland one where we got to find out the workings inside a football club.
 
thfc nw said:
Pep and Klopp won things at their clubs.
Similar age to you but 81-84 were the best sides I have seen and they won things.
87 David Pleat side was the best football I have seen at Spurs by a long way but didn.t win anything.
Poch hung onto underachievers for too long and his main mistake was not getting in a leader on the pitch whether it was his fault or not being backed we will never know.
Hopefully we will find out in the Amazon series I just hope it is similar to the Sunderland one where we got to find out the workings inside a football club.
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Sadly I fear it will be an over-indulgent, self back slapping exercise.
 
Guido said:
So almost every professional (ex-pro or good jorno) now question Jose on these comments of his. The only people I've seen agree with him are some fans, presumably the same ones that still think he's a "winner" and he will have us win the League and CL.
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Every good journo is there even a single good journo that has questioned him on these comments?
 
Guido said:
We aren't mentally weak. You simply don't get to a CL final if that's the case, you don't deservedly knock out the favourites or teams that are better than you, bigger than you.

Jose's comments tonight are no different than those uttered by Sherwood after Chelsea pumped us 4-0 or whatever it was. It's what shit managers say when they have nothing else to offer on the game tactically. It's what they say when they deflect the blame from themselves.

The manager is responsible for every result, win, lose or draw. If there's lack of motivation then that's his fault, this is his and only his responsibility.
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We lost plenty of crunch games under Poch tbf.

FA Cup semi (essentially at home) vs Utd still stings like fuck!

Vs WH in the Leicester season to go top. Vs Leicester at home in that same season....

CL vs Juve.

LC semi last year.... LC final....

Not saying that's exclusively down to Poch as I believe in players taking suitable responsibility, but point is Poch hadn't 'fixed' us.
 
Guido said:
I've not seen a good journo agree with him. Is that what you are asking?
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No I am saying that I have not seen a good journo questioning his approach to it.

The only one I saw was the idiot whining about it above, Daniel Storey or something like that.

Just wondering if there were actual quality journalists talking about it or only that moron and Linaeker.
 
Airfixx said:
We lost plenty of crunch games under Poch tbf.

FA Cup semi (essentially at home) vs Utd still stings like fuck!

Vs WH in the Leicester season to go top. Vs Leicester at home in that same season....

LC semi last year.... LC final....

Not saying that's exclusively down to Poch as I believe in players taking suitable responsibility, but point is Poch hadn't 'fixed' us.
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So the expectation is to win every game, never lose?

There are always games to point to, to dissect and say should have done this or that etc.. But our crunch games were semi-finals, finals and games at the pointy end of the table in the final weeks. It also means that towards the end of a season they are all crunch games.

I'd rather be in the position to play those crunch games than have our crunch games be whether we get a Europa League spot or not.
 
Never a popular choice for me but thought I'd give him a chance and still will - but only one full season.

He's running out of excuses now: fit squad, had time to work with them, etc, but still little sign of improvement from Poch's last days and today's result/performance was woeful.

Right now I just feel depressed going forward as can't see the necessary wholesale changes being made. Either back him or sack him Levy ffs.
 
Mourinho is right.

As a squad we do not have the mentality to be successful. People can point to last season's CL but we all know that papered over the cracks and was as freakish as Leicester's PL win (and ultimately we lost anyway).

To be a truly successful team you need world class talent and an obsession with winning, an arrogance even.

Who is world class in our team right now - Kane maybe on his day? And to be honest he's not the type of striker that can grab a game by the scruff of his neck and make some magic happen like Aguero but he is deadly with decent service behind him.

Aside from that, you look at the squad and it's a mix of a few good but not world class players (Son, ?) a couple of promising young talents (Lo Celso, Bergjwin), mid-table standard players (Winks, Davies, Dier) players with questionable attitudes (Aurier, Ndombele) and those who at times barely belong on a football pitch (Sissoko, Sanchez, Lucas).

I feel like the turning point was the Walker sale. We had a really great first XI at that point, with a mix of senior players in their prime and young talents and we should have pushed on. But instead we sold the best right back in the league to Man City so that all his ex-teammates could watch him go and get paid double their wages and win trophies.

We never replaced peak Rose and Walker and have been a shadow of ourselves since. Add to that the loss/decline of Dembele, Wanyama, Dier, Toby, Jan and Hugo and what are you left with?

The squad started to lose belief with each passing season as the gap started to widen between us and City/Liverpool.

So ultimately we are now left with a squad that lacks belief but more importantly lacks the quality to challenge for honours.

We probably are the 8th best team in England now and it will take some miraculous transfer dealings to get us back amongst the big boys any time soon.
 
Igula said:
No I am saying that I have not seen a good journo questioning his approach to it.

The only one I saw was the idiot whining about it above, Daniel Storey or something like that.

Just wondering if there were actual quality journalists talking about it or only that moron and Linaeker.
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Daniel Storey is one of the best football journalists out there. In my TL I've seen many who say the same, that's why I mentioned it.
 
Guido said:
So the expectation is to win every game, never lose?

There are always games to point to, to dissect and say should have done this or that etc.. But our crunch games were semi-finals, finals and games at the pointy end of the table in the final weeks. It also means that towards the end of a season they are all crunch games.

I'd rather be in the position to play those crunch games than have our crunch games be whether we get a Europa League spot or not.
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No. Not an "expectation" and certainly not "every game" (that's obtuse of you!) but if one is to be objective about whether or not Poch fixed our mentality it's only right that one considers the crunch games... Rather be the proverbial bridesmaid than stuck at the back of the church unseated with all the plebs, but if our mentality was "fixed" then we would have delivered at crunch time; at least once.

You can relax; in conceding to this point it doesn't mean you have to in turn shower Jose with praise.
 
Guido said:
Daniel Storey is one of the best football journalists out there. In my TL I've seen many who say the same, that's why I mentioned it.
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Maybe he is and just had a stupid comment today, I hadn't seen others commenting on it, other than just straight reporting what he said so I was wondering if there were a bunch of others offering opinions.
 
At the end of the day we still have the same squad that got Poch the sack. So we shouldnt be surprised me still have a shit side because for 2 years we have been shit.

My hope is that Jose unlike Poch has the stones to get rid off players who don’t have the stomach for it. And those who ain’t good enough.

We need a big overhaul off 5 plus players in and out this off season, if we don’t we ain’t gonna improve simple as.
 
The Swellhead Spur said:
Pochettino's final 20 PL games at Spurs W6 D6 L8

Mourinho's first 20 PL games at Spurs W9 D4 L7 It was terrible today but let's not pretend it won't take time (regardless of who is the manager).
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You've left off the Cup comps there, so a few more L's to be added. Why change the manager if you are not looking for improvement? How long do you wait for improvement to show it's self?

Do we have an identity? If so, what is it?

I can look at Woolwich and see already their identity taking shape. They are still a side full of flaws but it's quite clear to see their patterns of play from front to back. It's clear what you can see their manager want's from them.
 
It’s always the managers fault isn’t it

Never the useless bunch of clowns on the pitch or those responsible for assembling a team of the aforementioned clowns
 
Guido said:
How long do you wait for improvement to show it's self?
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As someone who might be considered a Jose supporter in that I don't think he is awful. don't think he is the cause of all of our problems and don't think it was a mistake bringing him in, I would say we have likely seen enough already to know there is no improvement coming with this side and manager.

I think there is enough proof now to know that big changes need to be made, likely including the manager. I don't know enough about Jose's contract to know if it is even feasible to move on from him at the end of the year but I think the attempt to see if he could get something out of this group has been shown to not be possible and it is time for something new.
 
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