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Manager Jose Mourinho

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A nail on the head peice.............................

You only need one proactive team involved to have a chance of seeing a game: a proactive team can bring a reactive one to life. But two reactive teams adds up to nothing. We’ve seen too many of these non-games already this season: last week Manchester United 0, Manchester City 0; before that Chelsea 0, Tottenham 0; and Manchester United 0, Chelsea 0. In each match, the sides were too afraid of losing goals on the counter to take the risks necessary to win.

Anyone can lose at Anfield but the Leicester game was more worrying because it looked like Rodgers was equally happy to stay reactive and Jose didn't seem to have an answer.

Maybe a fit Bale would turn the tide, but the version that came on yesterday isn't going to make the difference.

There needs to be a plan B.
 
i don't like this big kick football, especially when its dier doing some of that kicking never seems to get cross field kick close to where it needs to be
for me the probelm is the passing, just like when the 2nd 11 play the EL games many of our passes are easily intercepetted, maybe its because they are sitting deep maybe poor passes ? we need to be more snappy in moving the ball but that can only happen when you have players that can see a pass, we now only have Kane that can do that, (we sold eriksen)
Our problem is 100% our passing. Which is why our gameplay is usually better when Tanguy has a good game. We are unable to keep the ball especially when we are pressed.
 
The main problem is he wants us to sit back and defend but don’t have necessary quality either in defence or CM exclude PEH to do it. Look at the PL and how many teams play like we do probably Burnley but they have less technical players than us and are more physical. May be Sam at WBA now . SU played us off the park last season in both games. All the pro Jose fans will come and defend him but Tottenham a great club with a tradition of playing great football albeit not winning much are now tagged as a Pulis/alardyce mark 2. If we actually played to our strengths we may see some progress but so far I don’t see any real coaching other than play a low block and counter.
 
I'm sorry but in the last few games there wasn't much Jose could have done apart from maybe some different selections.

The players on the pitch have been unable to keep the ball. It's all well and good calling Jose a dinosaur, telling him to let the players play but they haven't been able to play when they've had the ball in these games.

I dunno if they're trying to force it...trying for a quick worldie pass...or what but Jose could set them up as the most attacking team available - if they can't pass to each other then they'd still struggle and concede more
 
Since his arrival, can somebody list the games we have played well in for a full 90 minutes.

It's been utter shite since his arrival, more or less.

I feel insulted having to watch Tottenham play this way week in, week out.

Proper manager, serial winner, he wins trophies etc. Utter nonsense.

Unless he's managed this exact club, with these exact players, in this exact set of circumstances, the past counts for precisely fuck all.
 
Since his arrival, can somebody list the games we have played well in for a full 90 minutes.

It's been utter shite since his arrival, more or less.

I feel insulted having to watch Tottenham play this way week in, week out.

Proper manager, serial winner, he wins trophies etc. Utter nonsense.

Unless he's managed this exact club, with these exact players, in this exact set of circumstances, the past counts for precisely fuck all.
The Burnley 5-0 or Utd away possibly. They're the 2 that spring to mind offhand.

But i agree on the whole, this last year apart from Kane and Son's brilliance, the quality of our football has been abysmal.
 
Since his arrival, can somebody list the games we have played well in for a full 90 minutes.

It's been utter shite since his arrival, more or less.

I feel insulted having to watch Tottenham play this way week in, week out.

Proper manager, serial winner, he wins trophies etc. Utter nonsense.

Unless he's managed this exact club, with these exact players, in this exact set of circumstances, the past counts for precisely fuck all.

Probably Man Utd at Old Trafford and the Burnley home game.

But no way of knowing if we played well or not really.

As when or rivals win big, the opponents bend over...
 
Since his arrival, can somebody list the games we have played well in for a full 90 minutes.

It's been utter shite since his arrival, more or less.

I feel insulted having to watch Tottenham play this way week in, week out.

Proper manager, serial winner, he wins trophies etc. Utter nonsense.

Unless he's managed this exact club, with these exact players, in this exact set of circumstances, the past counts for precisely fuck all.
Some of that comes down to the quality of the squad. The Bale loan mow looks idiotic
 
The Burnley 5-0 or Utd away possibly. They're the 2 that spring to mind offhand.

But i agree on the whole, this last year apart from Kane and Son's brilliance, the quality of our football has been abysmal.
Thing is we now have the squad to play better football.

We have 2 decent SBs, midfield trio who can pass and defend, good strikers etc and the bench depth.

Mourinho has to figure a way to utilise the players better, it’s all down to the manager and I’m hoping he can do it.

I haven’t turned against him like some have yet.
 
Some of that comes down to the quality of the squad. The Bale loan mow looks idiotic
The squad is decent enough, its down to a manager to bring to the team more than the sum of its parts and that isn't happening. Mourinho has had 9 players given to him, that he still picks Sissoko, Moura and Aurier is on him. Everton dont have a better squad but sit above us as Villa will be if they win one of their two games in hand. Both play better football as well.
 
Anyone can lose at Anfield but the Leicester game was more worrying because it looked like Rodgers was equally happy to stay reactive and Jose didn't seem to have an answer.

Maybe a fit Bale would turn the tide, but the version that came on yesterday isn't going to make the difference.

There needs to be a plan B.
I get what you are saying and I don't entirely disagree but for me, it's not about "plan A" or "Plan B". I think a good football team can play more than one way, have the ability to find solutions on the pitch and of course that also includes the manager to do so from the touchline. This can take the form in switching from 3ATB to 4ATB, playing with single or double pivots, pushing player up and player b back, whatever.

The biggest issue with Jose is that his teams aren't footballing sides, they don't want the ball, I think if a team spends all of its time practising what do to without the ball a different "plan" would mean to have the ball, but I think that jump is too far for a team that doesn't practise playing with the ball. A good team has the ball, a team that has the ball is better adapted to different variations of play tactically, they are far, far more flexible in what they can look to do and adapt.

So and this is your point I think, we have a team drilled to play without the ball, the team selection reflects this but most importantly the bench dose, it's why Dele isn't even in the squad and Bale & Lucas are. These two players are counter-attacking players (although with Bale his ability to run in behind with or with the ball are long, long, long gone). But were Dele available to play off from the bench does this mean we will change our approach to the game? No, the team will play exactly the same way only this time with a player not suited to that game plan.
 
The squad is decent enough, its down to a manager to bring to the team more than the sum of its parts and that isn't happening. Mourinho has had 9 players given to him, that he still picks Sissoko, Moura and Aurier is on him. Everton dont have a better squad but sit above us as Villa will be if they win one of their two games in hand. Both play better football as well.
I thought one of the qualities of a world-class manager is they improve players.

I don't think we've seen any real improvements in Dele, Lucas, Winks, Sissoko, Dier. If anything most of those have gone backwards. In Dele's case he's been cunted off totally. What has that achieved?

Bergwijn looked better in his first 3 months than he did in the last 3. Tanguy after a year with this world-class manager still isn't trusted to play more than 60 minutes. Plus Jose's tactics apparently don't allow him and Gio to play at the same time so our 2 most expensive midfielders can't play together. That's laughable.

A year ago we were dependent on Kane and Son. They got injured and our season was basically fucked. Can anyone seriously say if that happened again we wouldn't be in the exact same state?
 
I thought one of the qualities of a world-class manager is they improve players.

I don't think we've seen any real improvements in Dele, Lucas, Winks, Sissoko, Dier. If anything most of those have gone backwards. In Dele's case he's been cunted off totally. What has that achieved?

Bergwijn looked better in his first 3 months than he did in the last 3. Tanguy after a year with this world-class manager still isn't trusted to play more than 60 minutes. Plus Jose's tactics apparently don't allow him and Gio to play at the same time so our 2 most expensive midfielders can't play together. That's laughable.

A year ago we were dependent on Kane and Son. They got injured and our season was basically fucked. Can anyone seriously say if that happened again we wouldn't be in the exact same state?

Mourinho has been known to improve teams, not individuals.

I'm not sure we can argue that we aren't a better team than we were last season.
 
He's chanelling his forebear, Bingo out of the Banana Splits

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As long as he also makes up a mess of fun
 
The main problem is he wants us to sit back and defend but don’t have necessary quality either in defence or CM exclude PEH to do it. Look at the PL and how many teams play like we do probably Burnley but they have less technical players than us and are more physical. May be Sam at WBA now . SU played us off the park last season in both games. All the pro Jose fans will come and defend him but Tottenham a great club with a tradition of playing great football albeit not winning much are now tagged as a Pulis/alardyce mark 2. If we actually played to our strengths we may see some progress but so far I don’t see any real coaching other than play a low block and counter.
The reason he wants us to sit is because the defense has really let us down. We play a high line and go expansive and a defender does a flying header into his own net or another one brainlessly pushes a player causing a penalty, and so on.

Saw us play some really pretty footy this season but people want to rewrite history, saying we park the bus all the time.

I mean, when your own fans are carrying this kind of narrative you are on a losing proposition IMO. Only issue for fans is Levy is here for the result and probably doesn’t give a fuck how we get there (top 4) so long as we get there.

It is there that JM will need to find comfort.
 
A nail on the head peice.............................

Ken Early: Importance of bravery is lost on Mourinho​

Rather than gripe, the Tottenham manager should ask why Klopp is getting the plaudits​


It was as though a third bad result in a week was too much for José Mourinho to bear; for a moment, the 57-year-old Tottenham manager retreated from the reality of a 2-0 defeat to Leicester towards the comfort of escapist fantasy.

“We could be here as the ones that broke Liverpool’s record at Anfield, getting three points at Anfield and going to this game from the high of this level of confidence and happiness,” he said. “I have to admit that probably we start this game from the low of that disappointment of not getting what you deserve in that match.”

That 2-1 midweek defeat had felt like the most significant match of the season so far, as Liverpool took back control of the title race and trampled on Mourinho’s own furtive hopes. Losing was especially painful because, for the first time in five years, the Spurs manager had started to feel like a title contender again.

For some years now it has seemed as though his time at the top was over, but the 2020-21 Premier League – pandemic-stricken, fixture-congested, behind-closed-doors – is not the same football that left Mourinho behind. Pressing is down by more than 20 per cent from the peak in 2018-19. The game is slowing back down – its evolution has gone into reverse. Maybe the football clock could turn all the way back to the days when Mourinhoball was cutting-edge.

But a chance that has materialised so unexpectedly might not come again soon, which is why Mourinho was so emotional in the aftermath of the loss to Liverpool, complaining that he was judged by different standards compared to other managers, and declaring sourly that “the best team lost”. It was a line he used the night in 2013 when his Real Madrid team beat Alex Ferguson’s Manchester United at Old Trafford in what would turn out to be Ferguson’s last-ever Champions League match. This time there was no pretence of magnanimity.

Results​

For a manager who claims to be interested only in results and not at all in questions of “philosophy”, Mourinho spends a lot of time engaged in ideological warfare. Indeed, his barbs at the “poets”, the “Einsteins” and other frauds has provided much of the entertainment value in the less-successful latter period of his career.

“You love the word ‘possession’ and you love the stats,” he scoffed in his press conference on Friday, in the course of a lecture on how numbers can mislead. “The stats many, many times are like an incredible piece of meat or fish, but badly cooked. They don’t tell me much.” And indeed, it is silly to criticise Tottenham for having only 25 per cent possession at Anfield, when the starting point of their game plan was literally: let Liverpool have the ball.

For Mourinho the relevant statistic was: four “big chances” created to zero. Those chances fell to Son Heung-Min, who scored, Steven Bergwijn, who hit one wide and one off the post, and Harry Kane, who hit the top of the crossbar. At the other end, Liverpool scored a deflection and a lucky header from a corner and so Tottenham did not get what they deserved.

The following evening, as Mourinho digested the news that Jürgen Klopp had won the FIFA Best Men’s Coach award for a second successive year, he might have reflected on the injustice of a world where everyone crowds around to shower Klopp with praise and plaudits, while he, Mourinho, with more trophies than Klopp, suffers the indignity of being dismissed as yesterday’s man by people who have never won anything.

Maybe this is why, in his media conference on Friday, Mourinho came out to bat for the Bayern coach Hansi Flick, another man who had not got what he deserved. How could Klopp be coach of the year, when Flick’s team had won every competition they played in?

Tie-breaker​

Flick had a good case, which is why the vote was so close and went to a tie-breaker. That he did not win is probably because he took over a Bayern team that was underperforming but already strong – strong enough to beat Mauricio Pochettino’s Spurs 7-2 in their own stadium. Flick liberated potential that was already there, but Bayern is not his team in the same way Liverpool is Klopp’s. It’s a bit like arguing that Roberto di Matteo is the best Chelsea manager because he’s the only one to have won the Champions League. As Mourinho would be the first to point out, di Matteo was lucky that illustrious predecessors had left him such a good side.

Klopp acts as though he doesn’t care about these individual awards, while Mourinho acts as though he does. If he has designs on ever winning another one, then instead of resenting outcomes he doesn’t like, he should ask himself: why do people seem to prefer Klopp’s style?

The answer is very simple, and you don’t need to refer to any statistics, overcooked or otherwise. In professional sports the only thing that counts is victory, and professionals like Mourinho know this. But in spectator sports, which have been around a lot longer, the thing that really counts is not victory but bravery.

A results-oriented analysis would conclude there is no “right way” to play football. A game like last Wednesday’s is a good example. Liverpool were the proactive team, Tottenham the reactive one. Liverpool won but it could easily have been Tottenham. There was nothing inevitable about Liverpool’s victory. There was no convincing evidence that proactive football is “better”, in the sense of being more likely to lead to victory in a game like this.


Taking the risks​

The observation that Liverpool’s approach was braver than Spurs’ – in that they were the side taking the risks, pushing up the field, leaving space behind, exposing themselves to danger as they chased the victory – feels like something serious professionals like Mourinho might dismiss as an irrelevance, a note on style, a detail that belongs in a separate, subordinate category, at best tangential to the serious question of how best to go about winning football matches.

But when you think about it as spectator sport rather than professional sport, the central importance of bravery becomes clear. Without it, you don’t have a game worth watching. The league awards no extra points for style, but the fans do. You only need one proactive team involved to have a chance of seeing a game: a proactive team can bring a reactive one to life. But two reactive teams adds up to nothing. We’ve seen too many of these non-games already this season: last week Manchester United 0, Manchester City 0; before that Chelsea 0, Tottenham 0; and Manchester United 0, Chelsea 0. In each match, the sides were too afraid of losing goals on the counter to take the risks necessary to win.

Liverpool’s title defence has been beset by numerous problems, but lack of bravery hasn’t been one of them. If you’re looking for a reason why Klopp and not Mourinho wins the awards these days, remember that only one of them insists on giving the spectators what they’ve come to see.
That's an excellent piece.
 
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