were we trying to play a pressing game the last year or so under Pochettino and have we been trying to under Mourinho?
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were we trying to play a pressing game the last year or so under Pochettino and have we been trying to under Mourinho?
Yet, the same team is still there, plus they invested much more since: Bruno Fernandes, Maguire, Bissaka, James, Telles, VdB, Cavani...
Still, their last title was the Europa League, under Jose. They must be the most unlucky club in the world under Ole, right? I don't know how they get so many penalties while being so unlucky.
In my post, I answered a comment that said Jose just won two titles there because of his luck. I mentioned facts: in the following season he got 2nd in the league and he got to an FA Cup final - which he was unlucky not to win, by the way.
If people don't care about facts and want to stick with the narrative that he just won because he was lucky, there's not much I can do.
I agree with your first paragraph. Jose must be judged by his time at Spurs - and not by his success (or his failures) in the past.
But that doesn't mean we can re-write History. Not everything he made at United was down to luck. I was answering someone who said it was.
It's simple to understand; isn't it?
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Forget defensive shape, Mourinho is so fucking stupid to still not realise just how bad doherty is. But then again Poch was stupid enough to play Winks and made us play some really shit football in his last year.
I am not talking about Poch, but Winks was injured for months of Poch's final season. I m unsure what your point is Winks has had some great games for us which so many people forget. We also sold Dembele to China because we were scared of getting no money for him so we left with Sissoko and Winks as our only fit midfielders.
The fact is Mourinho has been dreadful divisive figure. I do not understand the people who have drunk the Jose kool aid.
I will not be crying if Mourinho is sacked at the end of the season.
I've not drunk the Kool Aid but I've become quite disillusioned with the players failing to deliver under two managers. I am less optimistic about our ability to compete for top honours in the near future and this coincides with a feeling that Kane might not hang around much longer.
We flirted with success but never got over the line and I think it will be a long time before we are competing for the premier league or appearing in Champions League finals again.
Investment in the squad is paramount to me so I'm not excited by chopping and changing the manager if nothing changes when it comes to our approach in the transfer market.
In the end of the press conference, they asked him if he´ll do any kind of punditry for the Euro. He said: "Not for television, as I would have to be in a studio. In the group stages I´ll be on holiday; in the knockouts I´ll be here in pre-season".
It´s obvious, but I´ll say it again: Jose´s not going anywhere.
It´s obvious, but I´ll say it again: Jose´s not going anywhere.
What do you think he's going to say? 'I'll have to see what happens in the summer because i might be binned here as i've been total pony'. If he doesn't get CL he'll be gone.
Have I missed something ? We arent in the quarter final of the Europa yet
And context is needed
If before the season it was made clear how mind numbingly awful the football would be then no I would not be happy
Plus we have no chance against city in that final , it boggles my mind how any spurs fan that's watched us this season thinks we have even an outside chance in that match
We all knew the football was most likely going to be shit, it’s Jose. However the point of Jose is he is a winner, we had a big transfer window to back Jose and we still had many players who had finished top 4 on multiple occasions.
You don’t do that unless you feel there is a genuine shot at the title, even an outside shot. To bring in Jose for £15m a year, have a big transfer window and play boring football for a League Cup doesn’t make any sense. Therefore the only conclusion is we are failing.
The river wouldn't be denial by any chance?
That´s exactly what it is: denial.
Some people are so blindly sure that Mourinho is not the right man for the job, they want to believe he is actually close to getting the sack. Two entirely different things. You see, his future success at the club - which could or could not happen - is not even the point. This is Jose´s first full season - we don´t know how it´s going to end. What we know is that he signed a three and a half year contract, his release clause is extremely high and Levy wanted to sign him as a manager for a very long time. It´s just logic. He´s not going anywhere.
As I said, from now I´ll just watch it.
I think if he doesnt ask for investment in the squad and accepts no transfers in summer window, he may actually get a pay rise.
You clearly don't know our fanbase very well or indeed Levy's history with managers who he thinks are doing a crap job. The thing he cares about is not Mourinho its the stadium. He won't want to see empty seats and a toxic atmosphere at his pride and joy. We'll leave it there.
Poch dropped our high-press, and this receeded in each of his last 2 years. There were multiple reasons that we can speculate on why:
1) Almost the entire 1st team were playing in the semi-finals and beyond in the World Cup, which meant they had about 2weeks break before the new season began, all of them didn't have a full pre-season
2) We had lost our brilliant midfield to injury, mainly in Dembele & Wanyanna + Dier once returning from World cup
3) The commitment required to be able to press as we had done has to be 100%, anything less and the wholes begging to show, it only takes one player to drop their levels and others will follow, without injecting new personnel it's hard to turn this around, just ask Pep & Klopp. Everyone has to be on it.
4) Associated with point 3 is the manager specifically, this can get wearing for players to listen to the same stuff at delivered in the same intensity, again just ask Pep & Klopp (maybe even Ralph at Southampton is going through a flattening phase???).
Under Jose we press like a school team. There is zero co-ordination, everything is individual. There is no system or trigger, players do not press at specific angles to provoke the oppo to go long down a certain flank for example. Do we press the 'keeper? Sometimes (we didn't under Poch for example). Do we try to win the ball back within 5 seconds? Is the plan to win the ball back or have the oppo rushed into an error? Are we set up to win the 2nd ball if this happens? We press like a school team, where the Maths teacher who used to play it bit in the 80's is telling his players to press, that's it. There's no plan, no co-ordination, no coaching on how or even why/what the plan of doing so.
It's very hard physically under Poch to press but the players were trained specifically for them to be able to do it (not following World Cup as explained above) but it's even harder physically to press if you aren't backed up with a system to do it. It's simply a complete waste of time and energy, better off sitting in a low-block.
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Whilst not beating a single team placed higher than 10th at the time of playing them.
Camped on the edge of our box hanging on for a point against the likes of Brighton & Palace
Watching the shittest football in the process.
Answer to your question... NO!
Said that before we even kicked a ball under him, he's done even worse than I thought he was going to be.
Even if we finish in top 4 and win League Cup or EL this season I want him gone. We are absolutely shit to watch under him. This is the worst football I've watched played at Spurs for 20 years.
I don’t know AVB in his final season was pretty awful to watch as well. Either way Spurs shouldn’t really be playing boring football.
Bit of a loaded question isn’t it?
Another way to look at it.
Before the season would you be happy with?
Worst team head to head in the top 10 averaging less than 1PPG.
Worse run in the league than the one that got the last nanager the sack. 12 games 11 points.
36 points behind 1st place (with two games in hand)
(In a season where Jose himself said we could compete for the title. Not compete with West Ham for 5th place).
Balances out your question a bit.
His last season was awful, but we won more games under AVB than we did with the dinosaur, so there was that to fall back on. Jose can't even park his bus anymore.