You really can't help yourself with the personal insults towards me can you.
"Cancerous"
Wishing him "dead"
Seriously
Bye.
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"Cancerous"
Wishing him "dead"
Seriously
Bye.
Were you one them that jacked it in?
A symptom of the ENIC out internet gangstas, they'll use personal insults when they are losing sight of an argument.
We turned down Ten Hag for Nuno seems to be an accepted story , now he may not be Fergie , but he is certainly not Nuno .
It almost beggars belief that we looked at Zorro, Gattuso, Nuno and Ten Hag and decided Ten Hag wasn’t the guy out of those 4
Sounds like I’m in a group all by myself , I hope my mum cooks my favourite dinner tonight to cheer me upSorry mate, you're too intelligent, respectful, and not passionate enough to be part of the cult.
That's why you're part of the problem.
You're just a Levy outer.
One of the biggest flaws in anti ENIC arguments on here is that people can’t decide if Levy is responsible on the football side.
If he is responsible then you have to give him credit for our second best run of league form in our history, more European qualification than any other period in our history, and 15 years of upwards progress. You have to stop finding a million excuses for the good times (luck, Poch, Kane).
If he isn’t responsible then those alternative explanations are fair but you also have to find excuses for the bad times because levy is not responsible for the bad times either.
At the moment the argument is Bad Things on the Pitch = Levy, Good Things on the Pitch = Other things. That’s so critically biased.
If he is responsible then you have to give him credit for our second best run of league form in our history, more European qualification than any other period in our history, and 15 years of upwards progress. You have to stop finding a million excuses for the good times (luck, Poch, Kane).
If he isn’t responsible then those alternative explanations are fair but you also have to find excuses for the bad times because levy is not responsible for the bad times either.
At the moment the argument is Bad Things on the Pitch = Levy, Good Things on the Pitch = Other things. That’s so critically biased.
There are people on here who are willing to waffle on all day about how enic have improved us and how they are to be praised for it. People who say that because we have floated around the top part of the table, without trophies, that is somehow success even though there is nothing tangible to show for it. Their sole argument is on some flimsy basis that we are higher in the league than when they took over. Of course they conveniently ignore all the failure and embarrassment that have befallen us and the slide of the last few seasons from CL finalists to being laughed at by just about everyone one out there not wearing rose tinted spectacles, which has culminated in this current depression for want of a better word. We all know who they are.
So you're saying that a few weeks after saying we
Bullshit baffles brains?
Of course the entire footballing world except the "sun shines out of Levy's backside sycophant group", who incidentally hold their group meetings in a public phone box as well as pollute this place, and all the media bar none, in other words everyone who can see the problem and don't wear enic produced rosy tinted spectacles, are all wrong. Hmmm what supreme arrogance.
We don’t choose best managers though. Clearly ETH wanted more control and wasn’t a good fit with out ‘process’
You’re presented with a critical flaw in your argument and that’s your response, Mr Dwarf Sausage?
Thinking not your strength?
Well your response of talking down to someone as if they were a child has confirmed my diagnoses of supreme arrogance. When you get the tablets for that also ask the doctor for some reality pills to go with them...
Perhaps stop waffling on here and take a while to read, listen and watch what is happening in the real world re. our club. The world, aside for a handful of ignorant sychophants, are united on the absolute circus with zero ambition that is enic run Spurs.
Then it is you who will realise that you are living in a tiny echo chamber with a tiny handful of other blinkered individuals unable, or unwilling, to face the reality, and who's sole argument seems to be "everything is rosy because we're higher up the table than when enic took over and we haven't done a Leeds". Mind bogglingly simplistic.
Obvious troll is obvious
I don’t think you can talk about our history since 1882 when judging ENIC , The PL and CL changed the game beyond recognition , the biggest casualty being Everton, who have been a basket case for most of the years ever since .
It has meant the bigger clubs have left others miles behind , bar a Leicester blip. Levy deserves some credit for us getting to the top table initially, I type through gritted teeth . He has fired , not lost to a bigger club the 3 managers most responsible for that, now we are where we are
1]. Do you think hiring Santini on false promises ,( Santini stated this when swiftly resigning ) so Jol could take over was strategically planned by Levy all along?
2 ). Jol is sacked in the most shoddy manner possible and is strategically replaced as we know by Ramos . Ramos admittedly delivered ENIC’s only trophy at any club they have owned I think . Ramos has us fighting relegation after 8 games in a team that has Bale and Modric . Do you think Redknapp was hired to take us to the promise land of CL football , or was he strategically hired to solely stave off relegation at time of hiring?
3 ) Do you think Levy had an element of luck that his chosen , preferred strategic candidate Van Gaal reneged on a verbal agreement the way Levy is often alleged to do , thus creating the opportunity for Poch , who he then sacked , starting a downward spiral.
4 ) Do you believe hiring a DOF to oversee the club who was well known to be under investigation was a good idea when you fire managers like I change my socks
Levy is out of his depth, and needs to go. I don't disagree with that.
Wishing death upon him and dishing out insults to those who don't share your view about him - that's bang out of order.
I just wanted you to know that I have issued you with a foul vote for the reprehensible way in which you've been speaking to
stevee
.May god have mercy on your soul.
Why is everyone so sure Ten Hag is/was the guy we needed?
UTd spent obsecene amounts this summer and have never once looked like a team in the title race.
They brought in older, win now style players like Eriksen and Casemiro who will give them 1 year, maybe next year as well and they got 3rd and the league cup??
UTD managers have been sacked for better seasons.
Ten Slags is massively overrated by our fan base. The twat was chatting about ending the era of Man City and Liverpool in his first press conference.
I’m not convinced he is the guy we needed , I am convinced we should not have sacked him off for Nuno , big difference
First of all, you want me to be drawn on speculation without addressing the core argument I raised. Again, you won’t say whether you believe he is responsible for the football side or not. If he is then you HAVE to give him credit for all the good things. You can’t keep looking for alternate explanations for the good but stick him with the bad. That is not fair.
If you’re hopelessly biased then just say so and we’ll be done with it.
The one tangent I will allow is your comment about the PL changing everything. Your comparison with Everton is particularly good.
Trophies won by Everton pre PL - 14
Trophies won by Spurs pre PL - 15
We were the same size club. Except Everton had been clearly more successful in the decade before the PL. We had won an FA cup and a UEFA cup, they had won 2 league titles, an FA cup and the UEFA Cup Winners Cup.
The difference between our clubs now is a difference in leadership. Everton have been poorly run and we’ve been well run. The bulk of the difference between the clubs has opened up since ENIC were in charge. With poorer owners we are Everton.
But the key effect of the PL was to create more inequality - and inequality has the effect of concentrating power and money into the hands of a few. In the old first division there were 4 winners in the 6 years before the PL was created. In the PL it took 13 years for us to have a 4th winner.
The first 12 years was a duopoly of Man Utd and Woolwich exclusively with only Blackburn interrupting that in the third year of the PL. The PL became extremely uncompetitive. It was only Abramovic’s spending that changed that.
In the first 19 years of the PL there were just 4 winners: Man Utd, Woolwich and Chelsea won 18 of them.
So. Uncompetitive.
Who was the new team to break into that in the 20th edition?
Man City - again with obscene spendingz
Blackburn, Liverpool, and Leicester City have each won 1 premier league title. The other 27 leagues have been won by just 4 teams.
The best analogy, is that the PL is a balloon with lots of little dots on. Over time the balloon gets blown up and the dots become further and further away. Without the backing of a state it’s now basically impossible to break the hold of these big teams.
And yet we have managed to become competitive in that time WITHOUT the backing of a state. That is a remarkable achievement. I cannot understand why some Spurs fans are not immensely proud of that.
Still happy for you to let me know to what extent you think Levy is responsible for on-field matters.
No, not at all.
Levy has done certain things very well. The stadium. Certain manager appointments. Certain buys (I always think the Bale money purchases are unfairly criticised). He also moved us on from being a selling club (Carrick, Berbatov, Modric) to a never selling club; both a good and bad thing.
He’s done an exemplary job of forming a competitive business model that can target us being ‘best of the rest’. And I remember reading somewhere that the clubs modus operandi is to always have some sort of European football. That’s what they want.
He’s still absolutely fucking awful at pursuing and maintaining a type of football. We don’t even have to speculate. It will be more than evident in the, very likely to be daft, manager appointment.
That is a fair comment (and I agree with pretty much all of it).
You are able to credit levy with things on the football side instead of resorting to the stupid Anti ENIC trope of « levy is good with business and money but done nothing on the football side ».
I respect your view!
All getting a bit toxic in here
FFS people , some are very pro Levy / ENIC , some absolutely despise him with real animosity . Most I think are in one camp or the other but not at the real extreme end , at least I like to think that is the case .
I personally would like to see him go , but not enough to be full of bile to a fellow Lillywhite . Equally those who disagree with me are actually quite pleasant towards me , in fact a couple are very pleasant indeed.
I would like to think if we met in a bar at the stadium we could all enjoy each others company . Let’s jettison the bile , cross all our fingers and toes that somehow , with or without ENIC and Levy things pick up.
Fine be pro or very pro ENIC , be equally committed on the other side if you wish. I am finding all the unpleasantness makes this place a less appealing forum to hang out in.
Castigate ENIC , or sing their praises , either perspective does not make you the bigger , better person . Place would be a real shit show without MRS P on here to admonish occasionally
FFS people , some are very pro Levy / ENIC , some absolutely despise him with real animosity . Most I think are in one camp or the other but not at the real extreme end , at least I like to think that is the case .
I personally would like to see him go , but not enough to be full of bile to a fellow Lillywhite . Equally those who disagree with me are actually quite pleasant towards me , in fact a couple are very pleasant indeed.
I would like to think if we met in a bar at the stadium we could all enjoy each others company . Let’s jettison the bile , cross all our fingers and toes that somehow , with or without ENIC and Levy things pick up.
Fine be pro or very pro ENIC , be equally committed on the other side if you wish. I am finding all the unpleasantness makes this place a less appealing forum to hang out in.
Castigate ENIC , or sing their praises , either perspective does not make you the bigger , better person . Place would be a real shit show without MRS P on here to admonish occasionally