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Levy In or Levy Out

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LeParisien said:
Your points rely on biased sources (a recently sacked manager) or negative assumptions. It’s not unbiased.

But in any case, you can’t avoid the central issue with your argument. If you want to ascribe good luck a bigger role in good performance then you have to give bad luck a greater role in bad performance.

But again, you want to create a situation where good things are down to luck and bad things down to Levy. You’re really biased on this.
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I prefer to argue about strategy , football wise it’s largely shambolic with a stopped clock being right twice a day outcome

The strategy for improving their own wealth has been exemplary and coherent , the football side poor planning with an element of good fortune . We have had 3 good managers in ENIC’S tenure he fired them all
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Lol so now nett spend counts , that was dismissed continually through the Poch and Redknapp years as irrelevant.

OK so in my opinion Newcastle are still yet to leverage Saudi muscle fully
Using your numbers above with a nett spend of 100 million more Newcastle have gone from relegation battlers to usurping in all likelihood a top 4 place. That is in one full season, whilst we are a project after 23 years

If you think Villa under Edens or Newcastle are a blip I must beg to differ
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I agree they’ve yet to leverage their financial muscle fully. There’s a lot more to come from Newcastle. They’ll be like Man City - will be fascinating to watch them fight it out.

And we will never be able to consistently compete with either whilst they are owned by oil states and we are not.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
I prefer to argue about strategy , football wise it’s largely shambolic with a stopped clock being right twice a day outcome

The strategy for improving their own wealth has been exemplary and coherent , the football side poor planning with an element of good fortune . We have had 3 good managers in ENIC’S tenure he fired them all
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Which of those 3 managers should still be in charge? Managers have a life cycle. Rather than praise their appointments (it’s all luck!) you criticise the fact they were ever sacked? What a strange critique.

You’re still not really engaging with the double standard at the core of your argument so let’s leave it there.
 
LeParisien said:
Your points rely on biased sources (a recently sacked manager) or negative assumptions. It’s not unbiased.

But in any case, you can’t avoid the central issue with your argument. If you want to ascribe good luck a bigger role in good performance then you have to give bad luck a greater role in bad performance.

But again, you want to create a situation where good things are down to luck and bad things down to Levy. You’re really biased on this.
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By the way I only referenced one manager’s comments in my 4 points Santini , who was not sacked but walked out in disgust at being misled

By the way Jol was way better but as I said not part of Levy’s great plan at the time
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
All getting a bit toxic in here

FFS people , some are very pro Levy / ENIC , some absolutely despise him with real animosity . Most I think are in one camp or the other but not at the real extreme end , at least I like to think that is the case .
I personally would like to see him go , but not enough to be full of bile to a fellow Lillywhite . Equally those who disagree with me are actually quite pleasant towards me , in fact a couple are very pleasant indeed.

I would like to think if we met in a bar at the stadium we could all enjoy each others company . Let’s jettison the bile , cross all our fingers and toes that somehow , with or without ENIC and Levy things pick up.

Fine be pro or very pro ENIC , be equally committed on the other side if you wish. I am finding all the unpleasantness makes this place a less appealing forum to hang out in.


Castigate ENIC , or sing their praises , either perspective does not make you the bigger , better person . Place would be a real shit show without MRS P on here to admonish occasionally
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TBH, I skip pages now (just jumped 50 pages just now) as find some of the back biting a little tiresome. As you say we are all Spurs and I wish we could just put our POV across without insults and just agree to disagree. We've all got bigger things to worry about, being on here shouldn't be so stressful for some.
 
LeParisien said:
Which of those 3 managers should still be in charge? Managers have a life cycle. Rather than praise their appointments (it’s all luck!) you criticise the fact they were ever sacked? What a strange critique.

You’re still not really engaging with the double standard at the core of your argument so let’s leave it there.
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Well I cannot say today if they should still be in charge Harry and Jol are old men . None deserved to be sacked when they were , arguably Harry because of the court case and England job flirting maybe , but personally I think not
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
All getting a bit toxic in here

FFS people , some are very pro Levy / ENIC , some absolutely despise him with real animosity . Most I think are in one camp or the other but not at the real extreme end , at least I like to think that is the case .
I personally would like to see him go , but not enough to be full of bile to a fellow Lillywhite . Equally those who disagree with me are actually quite pleasant towards me , in fact a couple are very pleasant indeed.

I would like to think if we met in a bar at the stadium we could all enjoy each others company . Let’s jettison the bile , cross all our fingers and toes that somehow , with or without ENIC and Levy things pick up.

Fine be pro or very pro ENIC , be equally committed on the other side if you wish. I am finding all the unpleasantness makes this place a less appealing forum to hang out in.


Castigate ENIC , or sing their praises , either perspective does not make you the bigger , better person . Place would be a real shit show without MRS P on here to admonish occasionally
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To mention Mrs P would come across as a bit premature 🤣😗
 
Mrs Perryman said:
TBH, I skip pages now (just jumped 50 pages just now) as find some of the back biting a little tiresome. As you say we are all Spurs and I wish we could just put our POV across without insults and just agree to disagree. We've all got bigger things to worry about, being on here shouldn't be so stressful for some.
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LeParisien said:
Do you give any credit for us being spoken of in the same breath as the superclubs rather than Everton or Villa despite being in a new age of unheralded inequality?
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In the PL era, we’re now placed in that band because of our financial status, which is that of a super club. Our success on the pitch this past few decades has been poor, frankly, embarrassing and nothing like a super club.

We have little to brag about, especially this last three years. There is a big disconnect and currently we are a laughing stock. Many of us see it. Journalists see it. Podcasters see it. Managers see it. The polls show it.
 
Nuts said:
In the PL era, we’re now placed in that band because of our financial status, which is that of a super club. Our success on the pitch this past few decades has been poor, frankly, embarrassing and nothing like a super club.

We have little to brag about, especially this last three years. There is a big disconnect and currently we are a laughing stock. Many of us see it. Journalists see it. Podcasters see it. Managers see it. The polls show it.
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We’re only in that band because of Levy. The only reason we’re in the conversation is because of Levy.

Past three years have been poor though.

But « laughing stock » is silly and emotional. No one cares about us except to make fun of us. Same as you towards other clubs. Are you looking at Woolwich and City and thinking « wow what heroes ! »

No. You are laughing at Woolwich for bottling it and calling City dirty cheating cunts.

I’m a simple man. My team is spurs and I support them no matter what and fuck everyone else.
 
LeParisien said:
We’re only in that band because of Levy. The only reason we’re in the conversation is because of Levy.

Past three years have been poor though.

But « laughing stock » is silly and emotional. No one cares about us except to make fun of us. Same as you towards other clubs. Are you looking at Woolwich and City and thinking « wow what heroes ! »

No. You are laughing at Woolwich for bottling it and calling City dirty cheating cunts.

I’m a simple man. My team is spurs and I support them no matter what and fuck everyone else.
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Surely you are homme simple








I genuinely have no idea if that is even close I’m ashamed to say
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Ok, so by that logic, would you also agree that we are also now going backwards because of Levy?

Or do you not see our current situation as a linear trend backwards? Just more of a blip?
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Yes - levy has made (or overseen) a series of poor managerial appointments. He is responsible for the backwards step. He probably thought the same way as people like John Thomas John Thomas - bring in a winner that will push us over the line. But it was an obvious mistake.

I don’t know if it will be a blip or not. The next managerial appointment is key!
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Our club is a fucking mess, fighting between fans, I have never known such a toxic atmosphere at this club as it is right now.


I think there has to be a middle ground somewhere in this debate.

I myself have flip flopped on Levy many times because I always like to believe he could turn things around at this club based on the fact that not every single decision he has ever made has been poor on the footballing side of matters, also, his ability on the business end of things cannot be disputed imo.

However, I am firmly of the belief now that he should step back from footballing matters because I think since Poch it has been one bad decision after another and I think it's based on his ego personally at this point and that's what is upsetting me, it feels like his ego is coming before the club.

I think he is trying to fix his own mistakes and by doing so just keeps digging a bigger hole for the club and himself and the only fix to this problem is for him to completely step away from any footballing decisions, remove himself from the training ground or being anywhere near the team or signings.

Basically, no longer be the chairman is what I am trying to say, he should be in charge of infrastructure and business deals not related to football and allow someone with fresh ideas to come in and do something different on the football side of things, I think Levy has almost made himself this dark cloud hanging over the football decisions now and it's just making things worse.

The reasons for which have been outlined countless times.

However, I do believe there is a middle ground to be had here because I think even the "Levy in" people acknowledge that he has made very poor mistakes on the football side, the only difference being is that, I think they believe he can still turn it around based on previous success (Poch) I just personally don't see that being the case as I think we are entering uncharted territory with all the issues surrounding the club currently.

This is ignoring of course the huge trophy drought the club has faced since him being our chairman but again, some Spurs supporters don't seem to value success in trophies so it's difficult to argue that poin, maybe it's become so engrained that we are the "underdogs" in their minds that just qualifying for Europe is a success, again, it's because of Levy making the club so successful that the expectations have been (rightly) raised.

Either way you argue, pro or against, I think the middle ground should be that change needs to happen before things get worse; now what "change" that is will be debated but I think the questions need to be first asked about Levy, not managers or players but how LEVY is operating, as, at least from where I am sitting, he seems to be the common factor in recent failures.
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I think it's pretty much black and white, now mate. After 23 years it fookin well should be, too.

Around 90% of the fanbase ars fed up of being perennial losers and want Levy/ENIC out.

Around 10% support Levy/ENIC first and foremost and want them to stay.

There is no middle ground to talk of.
 
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