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Match Liverpool VS Tottenham Hotspur 2019-10-27 16:30

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I'd put Vertonghen in ahead of Matip and Lloris ahead of Allison if those players were anywhere near their best form.
Maybe they are both past their best, It's hard to say. As Sammy said and I agree with him on this point, if you went back a few months you would all be putting Eriksen in a joint team and there would be an argument for players like Rose and Alli too.

Our players haven't just turned to shit overnight and theirs haven't all become world class.

Its a perception thing, a confidence thing. Not saying they aren't better player for player I'm just saying its not as clear cut as some are making out.

Yes... and it's the same fallacy when it comes to our general form. We draw against Watford and we're utter shit... then we beat Red Star 5-0 and we're all of a sudden world beaters again.
 
Yes... and it's the same fallacy when it comes to our general form. We draw against Watford and we're utter shit... then we beat Red Star 5-0 and we're all of a sudden world beaters again.

I never said we were world beaters again. I don't think we've turned a corner just because we've beaten some pub team 5-0 either.
All I'm saying is that I think we have good players who for whatever reason haven't been performing this season, but on our day when we are actually firing we aren't as far off Liverpool as many are saying.
Would be nice if people on here actually read what was being said instead of filled in the blanks with their own interpretation.
 
No fucking idea how this one will go, they looked pretty average against United but Salah and Firminho will be back now, just don't get mullered and give them a game. If we can pull a draw I will be happy.
 
I never said we were world beaters again. I don't think we've turned a corner just because we've beaten some pub team 5-0 either.
All I'm saying is that I think we have good players who for whatever reason haven't been performing this season, but on our day when we are actually firing we aren't as far off Liverpool as many are saying.
Would be nice if people on here actually read what was being said instead of filled in the blanks with their own interpretation.

I was alluding to something else. You said the quality of our players is a matter or perception and I agree with that. When our team was performing, many of our players were seen as world class. Now that they suffered a dip in form, motivation or whatever else is going on, people see the likes of Matip better than our center backs.

So that's why I also wanted to point out that some people make the same mistake in judging our potential as a team. No matter what our form is in the league, we're by no means relegation fodder as some were fearing and one win in the CL doesn't mean we're back to our best either. It was definitely not directed at you.
 
true but given you've been banging the Poch out drum, yet you have just confirmed we have an average set of players. I'm assuming that 10 times less a full back than Robertson is average to shit. Or miles from the level of TAA - is average to shit. VDD being twice any of our CBs - again average to shit.
You've also just said 3 of the players don't give a fuck.
Not excusing Poch's ropey decisions or influence in bad transfers mind.
We have a worst squad than Liverpool but better than 16 other teams. So we should be third. Nothing to do Poch out with the quality of our team compared to Liverpool. They are better.
 
You named 11 players and a squad is 22 players
Your comparisons are also selective and weird. Comparing Mane to our bench players?
Why not compare our bench players to theirs?

Like Lallana and Shaqiri vs Lamela and Moura.
Why not compare Firminho with Son, and Salah with Kane?

Roberston is better than Rose and Davies. But is Milner or Moreno at LB better back up than Rose/Davies/Jan?
The Eriksen thing is a cop out. It was DEMANDED he wasnt sold.....now our squad is shit partly because we kept him?

VVD better than all our CBs? Ok, but is Lovren better than all our CBs. Is Matip better than all our CBs....all this "at the moment stuff"
Being in better form doesnt make you a superior footballer. Our CBs have been poor due to the slump caused by the manager.

TAA miles better than Aurier....who hasnt been played by Pochs own hand. But Aurier, and KWP are both still better than Clyne

Allison and Lloris are both fucking clowns

Gazzaniga is par with Adrian

Wijnaldum is playing well, not a superior player though.

You´ve been pretty selective here, probably the worst breakdown Ive ever seen.
Wheres Origi? Wheres Shaqirir?
Wheres Dele? and Dier? Wheres the potential of Sessengon and Lo Celso?

Atrocious comparison
I only compared the starting squads. Did you want me right a novel with all 24 players in each squad? Liverpool STARTING ELEVEN is vastly superior.
 
A massive part of Tuesday's result was players who want to play for Tottenham were playing, bar Aurier and maybe Vertonghen. The players who want out (Eriksen, Alderweireld and Rose) have all been terrible thus far, and obviously don't want to fly into challenges and risk a move in January not going ahead.

Ideally Poch will play the same team on Sunday, even if it does look weaker on paper, because they will all play for the shirt, not for themselves. I hope the fact Alderweireld, Rose and Eriksen didn't play wasn't just for a rest. Now Lo Celso, Sessengon and Foyth are fit we shouldn't really need to rely on the 3 that want out.

On our day we are the best team in the league, we are so free flowing and can smash teams around the park. Ndombele and Sissoko look like they know each others game very well, Lamela, Dele, Kane and Son seem to link well. Davies makes Vertonghen look a lot more sturdier, even if he doesnt attack as much as Rose and Sanchez is a top defender who just needs a little guidance.

I think we'll see an uplift in our form, whether it's this weekend or not. A loss at Anfield is nothing to be ashamed of, as long as we play well and fight. We need to play the players that want to be here, and send a message to the ones that don't.
 
Only 3 of those you'd expect to feature in our fixture, but I do see your point.

Player to player it's not too much difference, and dare I say it perhaps Spurs edging it in all areas except for defence with the exception of perhaps Mane who I really rate. Salah isn't the player he was in that standout season, he scores but only because he's fed about 5 golden opportunities every game.
Only last night Salah scored a goal that he created himself and also made one for Mane.
 
A massive part of Tuesday's result was players who want to play for Tottenham were playing, bar Aurier and maybe Vertonghen. The players who want out (Eriksen, Alderweireld and Rose) have all been terrible thus far, and obviously don't want to fly into challenges and risk a move in January not going ahead.

Ideally Poch will play the same team on Sunday, even if it does look weaker on paper, because they will all play for the shirt, not for themselves. I hope the fact Alderweireld, Rose and Eriksen didn't play wasn't just for a rest. Now Lo Celso, Sessengon and Foyth are fit we shouldn't really need to rely on the 3 that want out.

On our day we are the best team in the league, we are so free flowing and can smash teams around the park. Ndombele and Sissoko look like they know each others game very well, Lamela, Dele, Kane and Son seem to link well. Davies makes Vertonghen look a lot more sturdier, even if he doesnt attack as much as Rose and Sanchez is a top defender who just needs a little guidance.

I think we'll see an uplift in our form, whether it's this weekend or not. A loss at Anfield is nothing to be ashamed of, as long as we play well and fight. We need to play the players that want to be here, and send a message to the ones that don't.
Couldn’t agree more with your point about sticking with the players who want to be at Spurs.
In a game like this - away games at City and Liverpool are the toughest PL fixtures on paper - you need players that are up for it.
 
Can you please name the spurs players Who would get into liverpools 1st 11? Id say Kane and Son....thats 2/11

If the squads are evenish se should have 5/6 that get in. The first 11 is much more important than the backups as they play more
Because our 24th best player is better than their 24th best player, we should win more than them even though its the first 11-12-13 players that play most of the matches. Such a stupid argument.
 
I've lived here my whole life
Born and brought up in the East End. As rough as it gets. My old school, Hackney Downs was closed, being the worst school in the area. Lived on Evering Rd of Kray Bros game. My granny lived on Jubilee St and I used to have a pint at the Blind Beggar across from the London Hospital when I was a student. I've been there and got the T shirt. If you think it's worse now, perhaps you'd like to visit the South Side of Chicago, currently the murder capital of the civilised world. Love London. Never been attacked, robbed etc although I do admit to being burgled once.
You should have crossed the road to the London Hospital Tavern , I used to be a barmaid in there, in the 80s.
I love London, warts 'n all. Might move out when I finally retire, but wouldn't want to be anywhere more than a couple of hour's train ride from WHL.
 
I only compared the starting squads. Did you want me right a novel with all 24 players in each squad? Liverpool STARTING ELEVEN is vastly superior.
Yes I would like you and others to explain why Liverpool have been lauded for backing their manager when their back up is absolute dog shit.

If VVD gets injured they will have to use Lovren.
Can you discuss your feelings about that, or when I talk about a whole squad and back up, you think you can dismiss all the back up and pick and choose the players you think are relevant.
As if Lallana doesn’t count.

You don’t want to compare squads for ONE reason. Because overall ours is better.

You can also bang on about the first 11 being vastly better....but when our players are playing in their best form, and formation, please tell me who’s “vastly superior” to:
Eriksen
Jan
Toby
Sanchez
Kane
Son
Lamela
Moura
Ndombele

You have a habit of saying VVD is better than Jan, Toby and Sanchez.
Sorry, that’s three players.

So if VVD is better than Jan, who’s better than Toby, and who’s better than Sanchez.
In top form remember..or should we compare fit players to injured players too?

Having a poor spell is not the mark of the player.

Eriksen is better than this season, so if you want to sit there and say Henderson is a superior footballer then good for you.

Who’s better than Son? Firminho?
Is Salah vastly superior to Kane?

Laughable opinions, especially coming from someone who acknowledges the manager has destroyed this teams flow for nearly a year and needs replacing.
 
Because our 24th best player is better than their 24th best player, we should win more than them even though its the first 11-12-13 players that play most of the matches. Such a stupid argument.

A stupid argument?
Having a better bench than Liverpool means nothing to you?

Hahahahaaha
All of a sudden, squad depth is unimportant and you only need a good 11

Hahahaah
This place is the fucking pits....shameless u turning bunch of cunts.

And I’m the one who supposedly hates our club.
Get to fuck.....beating them on Sunday has become EVEN more pivotal now, so I can shove all your disgusting Scouse cock sucking right back down your throats.

Wijnaldum better than Sissoko and Winks.
We’ll fucking see won’t we, you slags
 
Yes I would like you and others to explain why Liverpool have been lauded for backing their manager when their back up is absolute dog shit.

If VVD gets injured they will have to use Lovren.
Can you discuss your feelings about that, or when I talk about a whole squad and back up, you think you can dismiss all the back up and pick and choose the players you think are relevant.
As if Lallana doesn’t count.

You don’t want to compare squads for ONE reason. Because overall ours is better.

You can also bang on about the first 11 being vastly better....but when our players are playing in their best form, and formation, please tell me who’s “vastly superior” to:
Eriksen
Jan
Toby
Sanchez
Kane
Son
Lamela
Moura
Ndombele

You have a habit of saying VVD is better than Jan, Toby and Sanchez.
Sorry, that’s three players.

So if VVD is better than Jan, who’s better than Toby, and who’s better than Sanchez.
In top form remember..or should we compare fit players to injured players too?

Having a poor spell is not the mark of the player.

Eriksen is better than this season, so if you want to sit there and say Henderson is a superior footballer then good for you.

Who’s better than Son? Firminho?
Is Salah vastly superior to Kane?

Laughable opinions, especially coming from someone who acknowledges the manager has destroyed this teams flow for nearly a year and needs replacing.
Later I Will do it than. Player by player. Now I’m outside home and on my phone. When I’m in my laptop I will compare our squad to Liverpool
 
Outside 1st eleven its kinda close but liverpools 1st eleven is considerably better. Staggering that people are actually suggesting our Squad is as good as theirs
Agreed. There keeper, defence & full backs especially, are better. Kane, son & Lucas is a pretty good attack, kane is obviously amazing! But they seem to be able to fit all of there front 3 in together. We haven't got a firmino type option so its usually either lucas or son. Even origi on the bench is at least a better option than having a parrot. Strangely there midfield is there weakest area, I thought that's meant to be the most important area. But sadly ours is weak too. Ndombele looks promising, Eriksen is good but doesn't want to be here, dele & dier both lost their way, wanyama crippled, winks & lamela decent but not stand out players. Yet to find out on lo Celso, sessegnon & clark. So I don't see 1 area we are particularly stronger in.
 
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