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Player Luka Vuskovic

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Assuming Romero stays, which I think he will now, our CB rotation next season should be:

Dog: Romero and Vuskovic
Cat: VDV and Danso

Romero and VDV as the destroyer, aggressive front foot defenders who press up and win duels. VDV and Danso with the pace to mop up behind and make recovery challenges. Romero and Vuskovic both known as ball players, VDV and Danso both known as ball carriers.

Not bad. Decent balance too because Danso can cover either Romero and VDV who will miss games so will get plenty of football and Vuskovic will be 18 and learning his way so not knocking on the managers door every 5 minutes to start games.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Yes.
And thus we would need an experienced leader.

Not just "over 26 or over 27 footballer".

Also - just saying - you make it sound like having youth team sprinkled with 6 or 7 senior pro's is like something normal. When actually teams fighting for higher places are actually made up of like 15+ such players, sprinkled with some upcoming youth talent.
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Didn't we have our best recent form with a young squad under Pochettino , I know we fluked it a bit getting to CL final , but we finished higher in the league for a few good seasons .
 
Richard Arlison said:
Assuming Romero stays, which I think he will now, our CB rotation next season should be:

Dog: Romero and Vuskovic
Cat: VDV and Danso

Romero and VDV as the destroyer, aggressive front foot defenders who press up and win duels. VDV and Danso with the pace to mop up behind and make recovery challenges. Romero and Vuskovic both known as ball players, VDV and Danso both known as ball carriers.

Not bad. Decent balance too because Danso can cover either Romero and VDV who will miss games so will get plenty of football and Vuskovic will be 18 and learning his way so not knocking on the managers door every 5 minutes to start games.
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Why do you think Romero will stay now? What's changed?
 
dondo said:
Why do you think Romero will stay now? What's changed?
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The amount of time he has spent injured.

If he plays this whole season, he's a 70-80m CB. There really isn't another one like him and we all know that is the type of figure it would take to persuade Levy.

The issue is that there are only so many clubs who can and would pay that and they won't pay 70-80m for a CB who has been injured half the season and missed as many games as he has in the last 2 seasons. The market won't value Romero where we should value him.

Only question is if he signs a new contract or not. If the club offer him wages that match Son or even make him our highest paid player, I personally think he will sign the contract but I don't know shit all else about what is happening behind the scenes.
 
Richard Arlison said:
The amount of time he has spent injured.

If he plays this whole season, he's a 70-80m CB. There really isn't another one like him and we all know that is the type of figure it would take to persuade Levy.

The issue is that there are only so many clubs who can and would pay that and they won't pay 70-80m for a CB who has been injured half the season and missed as many games as he has in the last 2 seasons. The market won't value Romero where we should value him.

Only question is if he signs a new contract or not. If the club offer him wages that match Son or even make him our highest paid player, I personally think he will sign the contract but I don't know shit all else about what is happening behind the scenes.
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Why would we increase salary of player that is mostly available. And when is, plays like amateur, not giving enough shit to stay focused? Literally he has been pathetic this season, and you seriously suggest to raise his salary? Absurd incentive really.

Locking us in for potential of 5 years filled with constant brainfarts, long absences between international breaks while others carry the load. Formula for disaster.

P.S I would get the idea, if while available he would have actually been good this season. That would change the dynamics. But he was shocking in defending and even his distribution was not on his last season level.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Why would we increase salary of player that is mostly available. And when is, plays like amateur, not giving enough shit to stay focused? Literally he has been pathetic this season, and you seriously suggest to raise his salary? Absurd incentive really.

Locking us in for potential of 5 years filled with constant brainfarts, long absences between international breaks while others carry the load. Formula for disaster.

P.S I would get the idea, if while available he would have actually been good this season. That would change the dynamics. But he was shocking in defending and even his distribution was not on his last season level.
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You clearly wouldn't extend him based on your opinion of the player.

Removing my opinion from it, I would guess that they would protect the value of their asset and also look at the chances of being able to attract a better player and decide to offer him the extension. To make it appealing for him to sign it, the terms would need to be higher than what he's on now.
 
Richard Arlison said:
You clearly wouldn't extend him based on your opinion of the player.

Removing my opinion from it, I would guess that they would protect the value of their asset and also look at the chances of being able to attract a better player and decide to offer him the extension. To make it appealing for him to sign it, the terms would need to be higher than what he's on now.
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Well, from the one side it would keep his potential price higher (so upside).
At the same time it means taking larger and longer obligation (so downside).
Now the question is - which one has bigger impact and outweighs another one.

Just that there is risk of him not really being committed and motivated now, though it is very hard to quantify/prove it. Only things to go by are his quotes and historically he absolutely has hinted being moody and picky guy who decides for which manager it is ok to play for and for which it is not. So I personally believe that the downside is bigger that he will get moody and picky again during that time.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Well, from the one side it would keep his potential price higher (so upside).
At the same time it means taking larger and longer obligation (so downside).
Now the question is - which one has bigger impact and outweighs another one.

Just that there is risk of him not really being committed and motivated now, though it is very hard to quantify/prove it. Only things to go by are his quotes and historically he absolutely has hinted being moody and picky guy who decides for which manager it is ok to play for and for which it is not. So I personally believe that the downside is bigger that he will get moody and picky again during that time.
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He did say that sacking Ange would make him want to leave because he wants the club to look at supporting the team better to win. I think he would have been looking to leave this summer if he'd been fit and played his best level for the whole season. I think he'd have attracted the likes of Real Madrid if he'd done that as well. But that never happened and things change.

They would probably still be fair to assume that a player signing that extension into his 30's has done it because he's committed to the club now. It gets more complicated if he doesn't sign it but stays.
 
Richard Arlison said:
He did say that sacking Ange would make him want to leave because he wants the club to look at supporting the team better to win. I think he would have been looking to leave this summer if he'd been fit and played his best level for the whole season. I think he'd have attracted the likes of Real Madrid if he'd done that as well. But that never happened and things change.

They would probably still be fair to assume that a player signing that extension into his 30's has done it because he's committed to the club now. It gets more complicated if he doesn't sign it but stays.
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Oh that too? I even was not aware of that.

Then there is absolutely no doubt that we should flog him for anything we can get. Even if it is like 40 mil.
He is just a diva who thinks that Tottenham Hotspur as team deserves his sweat only if everything is exactly to his liking and when he feels like it.

We don't need some pointless princesses who decide when they care or not. Definition of bad apple and someone thinking he is lot better than he actually is. Get rid.
 
Richard Arlison said:
The amount of time he has spent injured.

If he plays this whole season, he's a 70-80m CB. There really isn't another one like him and we all know that is the type of figure it would take to persuade Levy.

The issue is that there are only so many clubs who can and would pay that and they won't pay 70-80m for a CB who has been injured half the season and missed as many games as he has in the last 2 seasons. The market won't value Romero where we should value him.

Only question is if he signs a new contract or not. If the club offer him wages that match Son or even make him our highest paid player, I personally think he will sign the contract but I don't know shit all else about what is happening behind the scenes.
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If he makes it clear he wants to leave £50m plus will do it imo. Personally I wouldn't be that bothered if he does leave
 
TheSpurEst said:
Yes.
And thus we would need an experienced leader.

Not just "over 26 or over 27 footballer".

Also - just saying - you make it sound like having youth team sprinkled with 6 or 7 senior pro's is like something normal. When actually teams fighting for higher places are actually made up of like 15+ such players, sprinkled with some upcoming youth talent.
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.....On the contrary; youth/young talent formed the basis for Arteta's 'revolution'.

The Liverpool rebuild (which started a couple of years ago; not when Slot arrived) was done with young players too.

Besides, we don't have 6/7 seniors + 15 inexperienced kids anyway..... Porro, Kulu, Dom, Vic, Rich, Werner also fall outside of that profile. Even Brennan is experienced for his age (1 x promotion and 3 seasons of EPL to date).

I originally replied on the basis of players with the expected burden of leadership.... I didn't merely slice the squad in half by age. Your OG comments implied that we've neglected to consider leadership for the last 2 years when in truth we haven't; it's just that those expected to do so haven't stepped up...... 2 different things.
 
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Airfixx said:
.....On the contrary; youth/young talent formed the basis for Arteta's 'revolution'.

The Liverpool rebuild (which started a couple of years ago; not when Slot arrived) was done with young players too.

Besides, we don't have 6/7 seniors + 15 inexperienced kids anyway..... Porro, Kulu, Dom, Vic, Rich, Werner also fall outside of that profile. Even Brennan is experienced for his age (1 x promotion and 3 seasons of EPL to date).

I originally replied on the basis of players with the expected burden of leadership. I didn't just slice the squad in half by age.... Your OG comments implied that we've neglected to consider leadership for the last 2 years when in truth we haven't; it's just that those expected to do so haven't stepped up...... 2 different things.
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Ok, I get what you mean, thanks for explaining!

I think we still are bit apart in the general idea - I was pointing out that I would like to see that our transfer strategy would be more balanced and in some areas we'd complement youthfulness with some seasoned pro's. Like something along Perisic transfer. We've had none of these under Ange really. And having "someone around" like Bissouma or Davies and few others is bit different than actually... you know..bringing on someone super experienced and who has won stuff.

Obviously basis would have to be upcoming talent. That is cornerstone and foundation - buying like 5 or 10 players like Perisic would be an absolute madness.

P.S for long time, Pool had Milner around, player I mentioned even and player who had won a lot before joining too. And Woolwich mixed it up with likes of Jorginho and Partey.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Ok, I get what you mean, thanks for explaining!

I think we still are bit apart in the general idea - I was pointing out that I would like to see that our transfer strategy would be more balanced and in some areas we'd complement youthfulness with some seasoned pro's. Like something along Perisic transfer. We've had none of these under Ange really. And having "someone around" like Bissouma or Davies and few others is bit different than actually... you know..bringing on someone super experienced and who has won stuff.

Obviously basis would have to be upcoming talent. That is cornerstone and foundation - buying like 5 or 10 players like Perisic would be an absolute madness.

P.S for long time, Pool had Milner around, player I mentioned even and player who had won a lot before joining too. And Woolwich mixed it up with likes of Jorginho and Partey.
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I think we both agree that it's an important thing to have in mind with our recruitment this summer.

At the very least; one would expect a number of the names I mentioned to actually be out the door.

Another Scott Parker or Perisic certainly wouldn't go a miss.
 
TheSpurEst said:
But what is "his level" in your view?

We certainly can, could and have if we base it all on this season.
At his best - possible that we could not.
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Romero has not been a consistently great performer since he has been with us. Sure he has games when he looks a million dollars but he has mistakes in him and he is not particularly big or strong and not particularly quick. Maybe I'm being harsh but I think his on the ball skills and passing masks his defending quite a bit
 
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