Can you explain what you mean please?
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Manager Mauricio Pochettino
- Thread starter WHITE&BLUE
- Start date
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
I find it quite odd how close AVB was to getting the formula right.
He wanted to do exactly what Poch does; have inside forwards and use full backs to stretch the defence. The issue is, he also loved to play defensive football so the full backs weren't allowed to get forward or press, as they could put themselves out of position.
He got it 70%, but that 30% meant it all fell to pieces and looked awful.
pretty much what you already said.
Not sure if you're familiar with gibbsy but he always insisted we play trippier and rose on the actual wing with davies and walker behind them. He is now seeing Trippier and Davies' performance yesterday as vindication for his views.
However he doesn't quite get it that the system we play with the three guys behind the striker inverting/switching all the time is the key to the success of our full-backs forward movement. They have the space to run into thanks to the attacking players occupying defenders. They also have the freedom to do so because of the Dier plus 2CB behind them.
I agree.
I actually think the main difference is how the 2 midfielders in the 'pivot' behave in conjunction with the defence when we are attacking.
Under AVB, I fee like he wanted the full backs to get forward on the overlap, but relied on the two DMs to come across and cover the space they leave behind when they go. The problems with this were that a) both of them couldn't fully commit to an attack without the fear of having to chase back and b)the distance to get over from central to RB or LB can be too great to make up during a fast counter attack. c)this left a huge gap in the middle with CBs often left one on one with attackers
Where poch has it spot on is the CB split with Dier dropping between them. Jan/Wimmer and Toby are then playing as half CB, half full back if we get countered and are able to close up the space on the wings faster, allowing more time for the rest of the team to get back and defend.
Yes, but the difference is, that our forwards create space for the wingbacks to run into. It would be way different if he was played as an actual wing
Thanks for clarifying, I think you're spot on
I know that pal
It's fine having a system, as long as it plays to your strengths.
At Chavs, he insisted on playing a high back line, but with some pretty slow defenders. The 3-5 v Goons a classic example, they were carved apart. Goons very rarely win at Slumford, but they murdered them that day.
With us, I wouldn't have been happy with playing that system with Brad and Dawson. Lloris is great, with his pace, but he wasn't an AVB buy and he wasn't even selected for the first part of the season.
His 2nd season was a disaster. A striker who couldn't hold the ball up (well, not the one that he selected); a bunch of buys none of which noted for pace (Capoue, Lamela, Paulinho, Holtby, Chiriches).
Having a plan is the easy bit, it's implementing it which is always the problem. I'd say it's taken about a season and a half for the team to fully implement Poch's tactics. Now it's looking very good, but there are times in the past when it hasn't.
I don't really remember us doing this last season though. Is that because
- We didn't have the right personnel, with neither Bentaleb nor Mason really suited to dropping?
- It's a new system being tried by Poch this season?
- I am blind/thick/have a bad memory?
Bentaleb was supposed to be playing more like Dier is now imo.
It also didn't help that our defensive options were Kaboul and Fazio with no cover for right back other than Dier.
Fuck knows what we'll do next season if Poch is able to sign players to cover the minor gaps we have in the squad.
This guy has dedication, I will give him that. Slightly worrying it is all to wind us up. Could be a serial killer
I thought about Ole Gibbsy, how he was saying that Rose and Trippier should play as wingers, when Trippier said in the post match interview that Poch wants them (the wingbacks) to play as wingers. I just know he would see that as him (gibbs) being right, when in fact he was as wrong as he pretty much always is.
Gibbs wanted them played as wingers (as in two of the three AMs in a 4-2-3-1), as opposed to how they are being played and have played pretty much all season, as more or less offensive wingbacks.
Well, one of them is vitalspurs, who have banned him, so I guess they are only there for shits and giggles...
A couple of nice pieces I've come across...
Future trophies are almost inevitable now
Spurs delivering lessons to fans
Future trophies are almost inevitable now
Spurs delivering lessons to fans
Is the guy with the backwards baseball cap not our very ol' Poch from 10 years ago? Who knew he 'rocked like a hurricane' in Germany?
...is it so wrong that the first thing that came into my head was this???
...and in case the ageing TV reference escaped you:
...is it so wrong that the first thing that came into my head was this???
...and in case the ageing TV reference escaped you:
Loved that show! And I actually learned better english from Mind Your Language than in school
