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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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Joe Clash said:
I love Poch, but it's not sacrilege to say he got it wrong yesterday. Watching Sonny in that position was horrible. It nullified his attacking threat and exposed his defensive frailties. When did we last concede 4? It threw away everything that we've built on. I think the occasion got to our manager.
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A team scores 4 goals in around one in 10 games. A team scores 4 goals from eight or fewer shots in around one in 500 games. You can factor in a multiplier of X as Spurs concede one of the lowest shots on their own goal less than almost any team in Europe.
What am I saying/what does this mean? Chelsea will not repeat that for at least another 500 games.
 
Guido said:
A team scores 4 goals in around one in 10 games. A team scores 4 goals from eight or fewer shots in around one in 500 games. You can factor in a multiplier of X as Spurs concede one of the lowest shots on their own goal less than almost any team in Europe.
What am I saying/what does this mean? Chelsea will not repeat that for at least another 500 games.
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Assuming Davies is not fit on Wednesday, & Rose is still unavailable...would you play Son at LWB again? Same goes for next weekend.
Honestly, I don't want to see Son anywhere near our defence in future unless he's tracking back & assisting the left back.
 
Guido said:
A team scores 4 goals in around one in 10 games. A team scores 4 goals from eight or fewer shots in around one in 500 games. You can factor in a multiplier of X as Spurs concede one of the lowest shots on their own goal less than almost any team in Europe.
What am I saying/what does this mean? Chelsea will not repeat that for at least another 500 games.
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Cool. He got it wrong yesterday evidenced by the goals we conceded. You concede 4 goals you normally lose. Sometimes Guido you've just got to give it up - to make out it's lucky, or an an outlier is daft. Poch fudged it - we had one of our worst defensive players in a defensive position, and it hurt our defence and offence equally.

If the game was replayed tomorrow, no way would he start with that formation. Conte outfoxed Poch who thought football was like DisneyLand - be brave and it's happy endings forever. Not so in the real world.
 
Boltonspur said:
Assuming Davies is not fit on Wednesday, & Rose is still unavailable...would you play Son at LWB again? Same goes for next weekend.
Honestly, I don't want to see Son anywhere near our defence in future unless he's tracking back & assisting the left back.
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Given Palace will sit even deeper than the Chavs and their counter right now is very effective with Zarha and Townsend running the flanks Would you like to see Wimmer Instead?
 
Joe Clash said:
Cool. He got it wrong yesterday evidenced by the goals we conceded. You concede 4 goals you normally lose. Sometimes Guido you've just got to give it up - to make out it's lucky, or an an outlier is daft. Poch fudged it - we had one of our worst defensive players in a defensive position, and it hurt our defence and offence equally.

If the game was replayed tomorrow, no way would he start with that formation. Conte outfoxed Poch who thought football was like DisneyLand - be brave and it's happy endings forever. Not so in the real world.
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Completely disagree mate. We were the better team. Entirely possible Davies would have also fucked up as Son did and as he has every game he has played. (Yes, our attacking play was compromised as this is where his talents lie).
 
Guido said:
Given Palace will sit even deeper than the Chavs and their counter right now is very effective with Zarha and Townsend running the flanks Would you like to see Wimmer Instead?
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I'd rather see a specialist defender in that position rather than a winger who can't defend to save his life. So if that's the choice, then yes. I'd like to see Wimmer there instead.
 
Guido said:
Completely disagree mate. We were the better team. Entirely possible Davies would have also fucked up as Son did and as he has every game he has played. (Yes, our attacking play was compromised as this is where his talents lie).
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I thought we were the better team too - just not at the back. I've never seen Poch weaken the back line for an imagined advantage higher up the pitch. He got it wrong - it shouldn't take too much to admit it.
 
Joe Clash said:
I thought we were the better team too - just not at the back. I've never seen Poch weaken the back line for an imagined advantage higher up the pitch. He got it wrong - it shouldn't take too much to admit it.
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Son was at fault for the pen. Was he for the other 3? No. Despite what you say about our defence they only had 4 shots on target (3 in open play), that ain't a calamitous display, that's quite normal for teams that play us, normal being quite amazing in fact.
 
Guido said:
Son was at fault for the pen. Was he for the other 3? No. Despite what you say about our defence they only had 4 shots on target (3 in open play), that ain't a calamitous display, that's quite normal for teams that play us, normal being quite amazing in fact.
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I didn't say it was a calamitous display. I said Poch got it wrong with Son's shoved in inclusion. We keep hearing about how tough he is, but he isn't really. Playing Son miles out of position showed a weakness imo and we lost because of it.
 
Joe Clash said:
I didn't say it was a calamitous display. I said Poch got it wrong with Son's shoved in inclusion. We keep hearing about how tough he is, but he isn't really. Playing Son miles out of position showed a weakness imo and we lost because of it.
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How did we loose because of Son playing wingback though? Son wasn't at fault for their first goal and wasn't even on the pitch for 3rd and 4th. We missed him doing what he does best but we still created the chances to win the game we didn't take them.
 
Guido said:
How did we loose because of Son playing wingback though? Son wasn't at fault for their first goal and wasn't even on the pitch for 3rd and 4th. We missed him doing what he does best but we still created the chances to win the game we didn't take them.
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It unbalanced the whole team - if you can't see that let's desist now. Poch got it wrong. If he'd had've got it right we wouldn't have lost with a superior team - So are they so much better, or was Poch sussed out?
 
Joe Clash said:
It unbalanced the whole team - if you can't see that let's desist now. Poch got it wrong. If he'd had've got it right we wouldn't have lost with a superior team - So are they so much better, or was Poch sussed out?
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What exactly did Chelsea suss out? Do you think Conte planned to only have 4 shots and think that's enough to beat the best defence in the League? Do you think he planed to let us have 13 shots and for him to think yep that will get us to the final?

Learning that Davies wasn't fully fit who should have played and what formation should we have gone with? However you look at it there were risks with every alternative.
 
Guido said:
What exactly did Chelsea suss out? Do you think Conte planned to only have 4 shots and think that's enough to beat the best defence in the League? Do you think he planed to let us have 13 shots and for him to think yep that will get us to the final?

Learning that Davies wasn't fully fit who should have played and what formation should we have gone with? However you look at it there were risks with every alternative.
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Oh come on. They forced Poch into the ridiculous move of playing Son as a defensive LWB. It was a stupid decision and Poch compounded it by making no changes for the 2nd half. He's a stubborn cunt, and it led to a goal. Like I said I love Poch, but he fucked up - he really thought our formation could cause them problems.
 
Joe Clash said:
Oh come on. They forced Poch into the ridiculous move of playing Son as a defensive LWB. It was a stupid decision and Poch compounded it by making no changes for the 2nd half. He's a stubborn cunt, and it led to a goal. Like I said I love Poch, but he fucked up - he really thought our formation could cause them problems.
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Who else and what formation Joe?
I don't get the subs thing, we were the better side, their pen was right at the end of the first half and completely against the run of play, so why would you want to make changes? We then were fantastic from the beginning of the 2nd half, deservedly scored an equaliser and looking good to score another, we were all over them, why would you make a change when you are the best team and looking like the only team that's going to win?
 
I do think Conte understand if he start Hazard and Costa, fight directly with us right from the start, they can't cope with our intensity, as the game goes, Chelsea players get tired, they don't have better one to change the game.

But the two unnecessary mistakes changed the game, we are chasing the game more the 60mins , leveling twice already show how strong this young team is (both mentally and physically)

I have no problem on using Son to nullify Moses, he is the best we got. However, I am more concern on the role of Jannsen and Sissoko in the team, it is just too sad that half of our sub-bench will be sold this summer or not up to the standard Poch want. (Wimmer, Jannsen, Sissoko)
 
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