Bored out of my tiny mind this afternoon, stumbled across this thread - Management - Another new manager poll (apologies)
Proudly the only person on the first page of this thread that didn’t dismiss Poch, to think a fair few preferred Sherwood!!
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Bored out of my tiny mind this afternoon, stumbled across this thread - Management - Another new manager poll (apologies)
The biggest, most highest profile Club he has ever managed.Harry has redeemed himself more and more over the last few years with his defence of Spurs. Always thought he left under a bit of a cloud but he genuinely seems to love the club!
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The biggest, most highest profile Club he has ever managed.
I do like him, actually I think he's one of better pundits on the scene. Not just with his position with us (and he's always been complimentary of us and actually Levy too) but with other clubs too, he doesn't go with many of the major narratives that surround certain clubs, he genuinely watches football matches and all of his views are based on what he sees, it shouldn't be odd that someone would do that but unfortunately it appears it is.Indeed, why wouldn't he. Spending decades in the lower leagues and at a shitty club around the corner, and then getting the type of job, he'd likely given up on ever getting when in his 60's. Followed by taken us further than he'd ever imagined, given we were rock bottom when he came...as he was inclined to remind us again and again and again
Scenes at City upon securing 4th, overturning Young Boys when it seemed we'd fucked up, European nights at WHL, nights in Milan, and taken on Real Madrid.
A managerial career going nowhere fast, both before and after us. He'd be a weird one, if we didn't hold a special place in his heart
More than anything it's about being "different" it absolutely doesn't mean "spend" which is what so many hung their hat on.
One of the things that I said at the time was that it was also about getting Levy to change, that change wasn't to spend "BIG" another miss interpretation at the time, I inferred that it was to not spend at all. Levy would always spend (always the debate was about the player that we spent money on good/bad/cheap option etc but he would always spend). Poch has broken this process of an agent knocking on Levy's door being offered a player, Poch wants a specific player for a specific position/function, he would rather have no-one than a player that doesn't fulfil his requirements.
This has come to pass.
Ultimately though it's about being brave with our way, our convictions to be different. This is his most consistent message he has delivered, in fact, he's never once deviated away from it. It also demonstrates that he is totally in sync with Levy on how we fiscally operate and working within this.
At least the penny is dropping for that majority now:
a) Poch has been given the reigns, he's earned them.
b) There is zero rift, zero ultimatums, zero showdown talks with Levy. The absolute opposite is at play.
c) He's 100% committed to Tottenham. He always has been. His ability will always attract the admiration of other clubs, which in turns leads to speculation, but that speculation in the press is the process of those other clubs tapping up, it's not Poch saying "he's off". It's not "back me or I'm off".
Fuck me War & Peace! I’ll rephrase, he (Poch) will not buy “anyone”. That’s what’s different, he now has control over this. He does want to buy but whoever that is would be identified and scouted against a profile. If this can’t be sort then he wouldn’t take anyone.Don't really think this has come to pass. I read you subsequent post calling everything John Thomas said as being wrong, but the bit you say in bold is you being blatantly wrong and John Thomas being right, Poch did want to buy players last summer, even in the Poch interview you posted on Wednesday, Poch says he wanted to sign people last summer.
All those people that hung their hat on him meaning "spend" we're right. Whatever being brave meant, it definitely didn't mean "not spend a penny or buy nobody" because Poch has stated he wanted to.
Pochettino, a Formula One fan, used the example of Alonso facing Lewis Hamilton in a far superior car, to highlight the challenge his Spurs side face.
"When you work in football, it's because you want to win," Pochettino said. "When you are a player the only thing you want is to win.
"You can be a winner but if you don't have the tools to win, it's difficult. If you have the car to win and you are good, then you win.
"If you have the same car as another who is good, then one is going to win and the other is going to lose.
"Take the example of Fernando Alonso and compare with Hamilton. If you put Hamilton in McLaren last season and Alonso in Mercedes, it's the same result: Hamilton at the bottom and Alonso at the top.
"I always put the same example. Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton are the best drivers in Formula One.
"But if you put Hamilton in McLaren last season and Alonso in Mercedes, it's the same history, Hamilton on the bottom and Alonso on the top. That's the reality.
"Where did Alonso finish last season with McLaren? I follow Formula One. I love McLaren. But it wasn't competitive last season. That's the reality, no? But do you think that's a problem with Alonso or a problem with the car?"
Anyone thinks this isn't a guy who wants to be given the same "tools" as the manager's he's competing with, and actually wants to be different is kidding themselves.
a) Sissoko, Aurier and Moura at about 150m in fees and wages suggest to me the new way isn't any better than the old way and the transfer reigns should be taken back.
b) There might be zero rift, I think Poch probably understands the realities and Levy pays him the third highest salary in the world to understand these realities and likewise Poch is grown up enough to generally toe the party line, but the quotes above and his constantly admitting he'd like to strengthen, holding his pockets out etc, make it clear he'd prefer not to have to cope with these realities.
I don't have a problem with the way we are run, I'm not and never had got bent out of shape about the fact that we have to run like any normal business, and I think both Levy and Poch are excellent at their respective jobs, getting the most from the environment they are working in, but I just don't understand this need to spin us as some evangelical Ark on which everyone is floating on a supercilious cloud of righteous joy. We do seem to be a well run club with a generally good consensus running from top down, but I'm sure it fucks Poch off that he can't go out and spend 200m on three players. And it's understandable, and it's not heresy to say that that's probably the case.
What we do know is players were offered to Levy buy agents and Levy would then go to Redknapp for is nod. Contrary to the popular myth about Saha and Neilson Levy went to Redknapp and asked him what he wanted for that window, he said he was happy with the squad. Levy told him about those two players, and under Rednapp’s approval they were brought in. This was confirmed by Jamie Redknapp in an interview on TalkSport prior to us playing QPR managed by Redknapp (we spanked them 4-0). The link to which I’ve posted on here before.Like Redknapp didn't moan every fucking window about needing to spend more money to compete, despite having a team that included Walker, Dallas, King, Rose, Parker, Modric, Bale, VDV, Adebayor....
Easy for him to say it now. Like he wouldn't have have been banging Levy's door down telling him Sissoko and Aurier aren't good enough for CL or that "he needs to spend 40m on Batshuayi.
his agent confirmed that they were not even entertaining bids like thatA number of our players, Walker, Rose, Foyth etc were bought in as youngsters and then moved onto the first team. Also some failures in Bostock. It is disappointing that we have not even got someone in for the future or is Poch not wanting to look that far forward or waste limited funds on the future. The Leeds player could have been bought and loaned back until the summer.
My main take from that is how much we miss great posters like Lister, cahspur and El flaco...Bored out of my tiny mind this afternoon, stumbled across this thread - Management - Another new manager poll (apologies)
“The poor man’s AVB”!!!!!!??Bored out of my tiny mind this afternoon, stumbled across this thread - Management - Another new manager poll (apologies)
Mauricio Pochettino should be Man Utd manager if Solskjaer is not appointed - Wayne Rooney
Why is this even a story?
Go fuck yourself, you Shrek looking, fake haired, granny smashing, overrated twat. Harry Kane did more for England in one World Cup match than you did in about 20.
Don't really think this has come to pass. I read you subsequent post calling everything John Thomas said as being wrong, but the bit you say in bold is you being blatantly wrong and John Thomas being right, Poch did want to buy players last summer, even in the Poch interview you posted on Wednesday, Poch says he wanted to sign people last summer.
All those people that hung their hat on him meaning "spend" we're right. Whatever being brave meant, it definitely didn't mean "not spend a penny or buy nobody" because Poch has stated he wanted to.
Pochettino, a Formula One fan, used the example of Alonso facing Lewis Hamilton in a far superior car, to highlight the challenge his Spurs side face.
"When you work in football, it's because you want to win," Pochettino said. "When you are a player the only thing you want is to win.
"You can be a winner but if you don't have the tools to win, it's difficult. If you have the car to win and you are good, then you win.
"If you have the same car as another who is good, then one is going to win and the other is going to lose.
"Take the example of Fernando Alonso and compare with Hamilton. If you put Hamilton in McLaren last season and Alonso in Mercedes, it's the same result: Hamilton at the bottom and Alonso at the top.
"I always put the same example. Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton are the best drivers in Formula One.
"But if you put Hamilton in McLaren last season and Alonso in Mercedes, it's the same history, Hamilton on the bottom and Alonso on the top. That's the reality.
"Where did Alonso finish last season with McLaren? I follow Formula One. I love McLaren. But it wasn't competitive last season. That's the reality, no? But do you think that's a problem with Alonso or a problem with the car?"
Anyone thinks this isn't a guy who wants to be given the same "tools" as the manager's he's competing with, and actually wants to be different is kidding themselves.
a) Sissoko, Aurier and Moura at about 150m in fees and wages suggest to me the new way isn't any better than the old way and the transfer reigns should be taken back.
b) There might be zero rift, I think Poch probably understands the realities and Levy pays him the third highest salary in the world to understand these realities and likewise Poch is grown up enough to generally toe the party line, but the quotes above and his constantly admitting he'd like to strengthen, holding his pockets out etc, make it clear he'd prefer not to have to cope with these realities.
I don't have a problem with the way we are run, I'm not and never had got bent out of shape about the fact that we have to run like any normal business, and I think both Levy and Poch are excellent at their respective jobs, getting the most from the environment they are working in, but I just don't understand this need to spin us as some evangelical Ark on which everyone is floating on a supercilious cloud of righteous joy. We do seem to be a well run club with a generally good consensus running from top down, but I'm sure it fucks Poch off that he can't go out and spend 200m on three players. And it's understandable, and it's not heresy to say that that's probably the case.
Balague surely can't be that short of cash?