Ronaldo below Best?
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Ronaldo is obviously more professional, but Best probably had more natural ability.
I'm not sure, Ronaldo has been at the absolute top for a decade and scored a colossal amount of fantastic goals. One of the top 5 in the world consistently.
Putting Clive Allen alongside George Best and Beckenbauer? Fuck me mate you don't have a clue do you?
.....He should be in group 2
below group 1: Greaves
Fat Ronaldo - 100% Tier 2 / would have been Tier 1 if it wasn't; for injuries
Won the WC too - Messi is unlikely to ever achieve that
The most extreame example of talent to laziness I remember is probably Ronaldinho.
Best player in the world for 2-3 years and maybe the most skilful player I can remember, even for a Brazilian he was outrageous.
Should have been a tier 2 even tier 1 player if he used what he had better.
yeah fair enough, I put him and Van basten in tier 3 because the injuries ravaged their careers. I'd argue if you're putting Ronaldo in 2 then Romario should probably do so - at various times they were considered the best in the world.
Ronaldo has never won the Champions League - something Messi has achieved numerous times.
But I agree with you. Amazingly.
Ronaldo has won the Champions League twice. 2013-14 and 2015-16.
Edit: Totti was talking about the original Ronaldo.
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I meant Brazilian Ronaldo.
But to correct you, Cristiano Ronaldo has won the Champions League THREE times.
No because the correlation I feel is simple.
At a time when the Argentine squad has actually been better in relative terms to other countries, then he would or should have won Copa Americas or one World Cup at least.
At the top of a strong bunch of players for best club player but nowhere near for best national player and that leaves the debate open.
That accolade for me in terms of best player ever at national level in my time sort of is one of Maradona, Pele or fat Ronaldo.
At a time when the Argentine squad has actually been better in relative terms to other countries, then he would or should have won Copa Americas or one World Cup at least.
At the top of a strong bunch of players for best club player but nowhere near for best national player and that leaves the debate open.
That accolade for me in terms of best player ever at national level in my time sort of is one of Maradona, Pele or fat Ronaldo.
Ah, my bad.
this thread is nonsense. you cant compare across eras cos the game has changed. Greaves et all were playing in a era when a defender could kick you up in the air. now its not far off non contact. players get booked for their second or third foul simply because its their second or third foul.
theres no doubt that some of the modern players are great great players. but how many goals could greaves etc have scored with modern training, nutrition and under current rules?
theres no doubt that some of the modern players are great great players. but how many goals could greaves etc have scored with modern training, nutrition and under current rules?
Yes and it's very difficult to quantify. You have to factor in teammates, opposition, crowd, injuries...
I find it sad how half the greats pissed it away on drink or drugs, if only they had stayed clean we could have had the pleasure of watching them some more. I mean Maradona - his skill, balance and strength – unreal
Obviously he was inspired by this message and now they are in the same team he can really show Messi up...
Also there's an attacking bias in these "best ever" lists. I'd have Paolo Maldini in my top 10 players of all time any day