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Player Mikey Moore

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BlackLips said:
Classic overrating young players after a couple good turns/runs/whatever. The kid has played a couple games. He is certainly not “already better than Johnson.” He’s never even scored a goal for the senior side. He hasn’t even had a chance to have good form/bad form/how does he respond. I’m excited about him, he definitely looks to have a lot of ability but there’s a lot more to being a top player.

Young players frequently look bright and confident when they break through and most fizzle out. Are they as good after they make a couple mistakes? After they go through a rough patch of form? Pick up some injuries, play 3 games in a week? Werner at RB Leipzig was better than anything Mikey Moore has ever done. People used to do this with PEH all the time. Every MF who did a body feint was already better than PEH who meanwhile was playing 50 games a year with good performances against big teams in club and international competition. But when young players haven’t played enough to actually make mistakes, have their weaknesses found out, etc. we just think they are “better.” It’s already happened with Bergvall imo. People were anointing him after some good turns in his first sub appearance. Then he makes a mistake, plays some more and has just been ok. Just as we shouldn’t cast young players out early…we probably shouldn’t anoint them so early either.
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Well if you can’t see his talent then I don’t know what to say. It’s obvious he isn’t just “another youngster”. He looks ready. He looks like the level of player that Rooney, Fowler, Owen, Bale etc went on to become when they got a chance at the similar age. Whether he goes on to have that kind of career is unknown, but when you’ve seen enough of these players at that age it’s obvious they are above the level of just another young player. It’s probably safe to say he’s not going to be another Andy Turner.
 
randombere said:
Guess my concern on being protected primarily comes from how Michael Owen’s career went but can’t currently think of any others so hoping you’re right - be great to see much much more of him. He’s genuinely exciting to watch which we’ve really missed.
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I think it's more to do with the fact that outside of a few that are either truly generational and getting a break due to injuries (Yamal) or built like a man (Rooney) there really hasn't been many 17 year olds who have broke through and played consistently at the highest level (from memory) that didn't suffer some type of burn out or injuries that defined them.

Foden didn't start a Prem game until he was 19 years old as an example but he was given plenty and plenty of minutes by Guardiola in cups and European competitions to build him up to it.
 
Starks said:
I think it's more to do with the fact that outside of a few that are either truly generational and getting a break due to injuries (Yamal) or built like a man (Rooney) there really hasn't been many 17 year olds who have broke through and played consistently at the highest level (from memory) that didn't suffer some type of burn out or injuries that defined them.

Foden didn't start a Prem game until he was 19 years old as an example but he was given plenty and plenty of minutes by Guardiola in cups and European competitions to build him up to it.
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I did reflect after posting that about Bale too. Appreciate he had a pretty amazing career but think it was hampered by the injuries he got playing for us under BMJ when his body hadn’t fully developed. Definitely impacted the number of games he could play long term. Whereas I think Kane benefited from not breaking through early. Guess it’s hard to say as they’re all individuals.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Well if you can’t see his talent then I don’t know what to say. It’s obvious he isn’t just “another youngster”. He looks ready. He looks like the level of player that Rooney, Fowler, Owen, Bale etc went on to become when they got a chance at the similar age. Whether he goes on to have that kind of career is unknown, but when you’ve seen enough of these players at that age it’s obvious they are above the level of just another young player. It’s probably safe to say he’s not going to be another Andy Turner.
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Think how many people thought Bale was shit and overrated. Or Kane being a one season wonder. Sometimes people just don’t see what’s in front of them ;)
 
randombere said:
I did reflect after posting that about Bale too. Appreciate he had a pretty amazing career but think it was hampered by the injuries he got playing for us under BMJ when his body hadn’t fully developed. Definitely impacted the number of games he could play long term. Whereas I think Kane benefited from not breaking through early. Guess it’s hard to say as they’re all individuals.
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Charlie Adam had a big part to play in bales career. Namely stamping on his left ankle in two separate matches.
Always suffered with ankle problems after that.
In regard to Mikey he is quite a powerful looking lad , not far off 6 foot tall , no doubt he will get kicked up in the air now and again but I don’t think it bothers him.
Great to be able to watch such a talent playing for us.
 
Perryman said:
Charlie Adam had a big part to play in bales career. Namely stamping on his left ankle in two separate matches.
Always suffered with ankle problems after that.
In regard to Mikey he is quite a powerful looking lad , not far off 6 foot tall , no doubt he will get kicked up in the air now and again but I don’t think it bothers him.
Great to be able to watch such a talent playing for us.
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It was the one that Muamba caused when he was 18 I was thinking of (Dec 07 - had to check) but yeah, Charlie Adam also fucked up his ankle badly twice.
 
Mrs Perryman said:
Even I noticed how much better he was on the left. Every time he got the ball, the crowd got excited and he played some lovely stuff.
Just don't want to burn him out so we need to manage his time carefully.
"One of our Own"
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I agree, which is why tonight was mental.

We have to protect Mikey and manage him properly - not play him out of position for 45 mins to accommodate a low on confidence loan player. Needs to stop, tonight, that’s it for Werner now unless we get injuries - he offers very little beyond
Starks said:
Not really sure how people don't realise he isn't just "" being played out of position to accommodate "- Its about getting minutes into a 17 year old who needs games to develop.

We know he's not a right winger in the long term any more than we know Gray probably isn't a right back (or centre back or left back) - he's not out there to accommodate Werner. He's there to get minutes and continue to learn and grow, especially in a situation where perhaps he's less comfortable.

He was electric at times last night. Not an earth shattering performance. But you saw fearlessness in a kid who just wants to play football. It's important it's not coached out of him because at Spurs this kid can be whatever he wants to be.

Still don't think he's a winger though and would flourish centrally.
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he is better on the left and last night we started him on the right - there is only one explanation for that, we were accommodating Werner.

The game turned on getting Werner off and playing Moore on the left

It’s irrefutable
 
I think as and when Odobert is back to full fitness, we're gonna see him and Moore rotated and brought in and out of games, if only to save Son further injury by having to play EVERY game.

Werner can hand out the bibs in training!
 
BlackLips said:
Classic overrating young players after a couple good turns/runs/whatever. The kid has played a couple games. He is certainly not “already better than Johnson.” He’s never even scored a goal for the senior side. He hasn’t even had a chance to have good form/bad form/how does he respond. I’m excited about him, he definitely looks to have a lot of ability but there’s a lot more to being a top player.

Young players frequently look bright and confident when they break through and most fizzle out. Are they as good after they make a couple mistakes? After they go through a rough patch of form? Pick up some injuries, play 3 games in a week? Werner at RB Leipzig was better than anything Mikey Moore has ever done. People used to do this with PEH all the time. Every MF who did a body feint was already better than PEH who meanwhile was playing 50 games a year with good performances against big teams in club and international competition. But when young players haven’t played enough to actually make mistakes, have their weaknesses found out, etc. we just think they are “better.” It’s already happened with Bergvall imo. People were anointing him after some good turns in his first sub appearance. Then he makes a mistake, plays some more and has just been ok. Just as we shouldn’t cast young players out early…we probably shouldn’t anoint them so early either.
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You miserable bugger.
The core of your message is fine, at around level 3. But you turned it up to 11 and distorted the whole thing .

Kids his age have no fear a and play with joy and freedom, let's celebrate what we are seeing. And not spout the words of prophets of doom whilst figuratively pissing on your own shoes.
 
I confidently predict Rooneyesque levels of fame & success for this lad.

He will have his own 4-page spread in Hello! magazine one day. "At Home With The Moores".
 
I think its quiet simple now. If Son is unavailable or needs rest, then Mikey Moore plays. Every time! He looked so much better once he moved to the left wing! Thats where we need to play him. Assuming Son is back this weekend then I expect Moore to start both the Man City and Gala games while Son starts all 3 prem games.

Moore should be coming on getting cameos in the league too! What an exciting talent we have!
 
Richard Splash said:
he is better on the left and last night we started him on the right - there is only one explanation for that, we were accommodating Werner.
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He played on the right because we have a squad to use and getting Moore minutes is important. We wanted to rest Johnson, Son and Odobert isn't fully fit.

If we started Son and Moore, have a guess where Moore would be starting. I'll give you a hint, it'd be on the right.

Minutes minutes minutes. The most important thing for a 17 year old. Same as it is for Gray as an 18 year old.

Richard Splash said:
The game turned on getting Werner off and playing Moore on the left

It’s irrefutable
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Well, it didn't. We won the game due to a penalty that had nothing to do with Mikey Moore?

He completed 1 dribble out of 3, missed one big chance and completed 1 out of 4 crosses. He's exciting and it's amazing to see a fearless 17 year old in the team but putting him on the left didn't do much for us outside of us just seeing him in a more natural state.

In fact, he was arguably as wasteful as Werner but he's (rightfully) not as scrutinised due to his age, experience and fearlessness. Both missed two great chances and both denied great assists (Werner to Moore and Moore to Johnson).

Saying that, I think Moore has probably overtaken Werner. But he's not as good (yet) or experienced as Odobert so he's still behind him on the left (unless we want Odobert on the right, which I'd like)
 
Airfixx said:
Fati & Pedri already have fucked themselves physically.

I know his life has been complicated; but at aged 24 Dele was complaining that the couldn't physically do the things he used to.
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So... you say that his playingtime should be managed?
Agreed.

Airfixx said:
We're not "compromising" Mikey... We're managing him smartly.



Not true. Sounds good though if you're focused on putting the boot in, eh?



See above...... Ange is doing just fine. You just don't get it.
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And then you say...what?

According to my understanding playing 45 minutes on RW is still playing 45 minutes.
So yesterday it actually WAS a case where he still played lot of minutes, but in order to fit Werner in, he was playing 45 of the minutes just in less comfortable position for him.

Which DOES in fact seemed subpar considering the long term view.

I am not saying that between them two 100% of minutes should go to Moore.
But when there is such dilemma that both play and one has to play out of position, there should be zero question at all.
Moore is long-term player with high ceiling.
Werner is last resort player with absolutely no future with us past current season.
 
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