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Player Min-Hyuk Yang

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Linked with Kim Min Jae: "Fuck that.... Cheapo shirt signing."
Kim has a good season in Europe: "FFS Spurs you didn't pull the trigger"

Sign hot new Korean prospect: "Fuck that.... Cheapo shirt signing."

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Spurs players are lucky to get 90 minutes before they get written off these days.

....Including Solanke by some who'd just the season before bagged 19 goals in the EPL!!!!
...........Including Grey by others despite playing well in the FA Cup & the top end of the champo last year.
........................Odobert (a 25 start EPL season already under his belt) is branded shit now too cos he had the temerity to get injured (despite looking good when he debuted).


Let's be honest the "what league/country did they come from" angle is just a bullshit excuse to abuse when it suits.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
You know it's not, right? Lol you named two murderers. That's not a qualitative distinction mate. That's the definition of a quantative distinction. West and Bundy the same: Bundy just more prolific, money market manipulator less evil because trading and murder are NOT moral equivalents if you are sane. And it's EXACTLY what was being debated by people going "what about Joe Lewis" when referenced against MBS. Not sure why people contend the most straightforward stuff. Internet I guess


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If you read about EL BOLSÓN, ARGENTINA you'd see that people have gone missing after Lewis land grab , people who protested , never seen again.

He’s a nasty piece of work & make no mistake

Anyways , , haven’t got a clue about the game but I’d be surprised if City continue this terrible run
 
Murphy said:
This lad could be the real deal, but call me cynical if I think it’s a ploy to hedge our bets on a Sonny successor to keep the tourists coming.
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Yes you are cynical by solely emphasising his being a Son successor.

He's considered the top young player in South Korea who has high metrics compared to a lot of youngsters in other leagues so signing him is good news. If he develops well he become a Spurs first team player - is it bad that might happen after Son retires or is it a very useful added extra ?

Lets put it this way, if he flops and never develops as a player, he has no advantages over other 18 year olds who might fail at Spurs so the idea he's been bought just for marketing reasons does NOT bear scrutiny. Its nonsense.
 
Spursidol said:
Lets put it this way, if he flops and never develops as a player, he has no advantages over other 18 year olds who might fail at Spurs so the idea he's been bought just for marketing reasons does NOT bear scrutiny. Its nonsense.
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Let's put it another: if he succeeds and helps retain fans that might otherwise be lost, then it's a marketing success. A low-cost acquisition that could prove profitable. If he fails, it's cost us peanuts.

What's nonsense is dismissing the idea that this thought would not have crossed Levy's mind.
 
Nuts said:
Let's put it another: if he succeeds and helps retain fans that might otherwise be lost, then it's a marketing success. A low-cost acquisition that could prove profitable. If he fails, it's cost us peanuts.

What's nonsense is dismissing the idea that this thought would not have crossed Levy's mind.
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But the key issue is any marketing advantages depend on the player becoming good enough to play for Spurs - if not there is NO marketing advantage to signing him

That is why it IS a nonsense for you and others to say he's only signed for marketing reasons.
 
Spursidol said:
That is why it IS a nonsense for you and others to say he's only signed for marketing reasons.
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I can't talk for anyone else but I haven't said that that's the only reason. I've also said that he's cheap and acknowledged that he has talent. But I don't believe the latter fact is the only reason that we've signed him. There's a difference.

You're looking at this in a very simplistic manner and not factoring time into the equation. Have you not considered the fact that players are basically in open development from the second they join. They are marketed in real time, in front of the fans, not behind closed doors in some beta testing lab. You cannot know in advance whether they will succeed or not. It's a fluid process with an overriding element of risk. If he's a dud, he's been a marketing failure. If he's a baller, he's a marketing success. If you were Daniel Levy and you saw a cheap player that stood a chance of becoming the latter in the contrails of Sonny's overwhelming success at the club, would you not lick your lips?

You're also not acknowledging the immediate impact of a young SK player on the pitch. The buzz. National pride at seeing another such player at the club. I know when Kane went to Bayern, I felt a bit of pride seeing an Englishman lead their attack (even if I'm still a bit pissed at him).

It's not like this situation is wholly unusual. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of the strong ties between Fulham and American fans because of Clint Dempsey. He left and they bought Lucas whatsisname in.
 
Nuts said:
I can't talk for anyone else but I haven't said that that's the only reason. I've also said that he's cheap and acknowledged that he has talent. But I don't believe the latter fact is the only reason that we've signed him. There's a difference.

You're looking at this in a very simplistic manner and not factoring time into the equation. Have you not considered the fact that players are basically in open development from the second they join. They are marketed in real time, in front of the fans, not behind closed doors in some beta testing lab. You cannot know in advance whether they will succeed or not. It's a fluid process with an overriding element of risk. If he's a dud, he's been a marketing failure. If he's a baller, he's a marketing success. If you were Daniel Levy and you saw a cheap player that stood a chance of becoming the latter in the contrails of Sonny's overwhelming success at the club, would you not lick your lips?

You're also not acknowledging the immediate impact of a young SK player on the pitch. The buzz. National pride at seeing another such player at the club. I know when Kane went to Bayern, I felt a bit of pride seeing an Englishman lead their attack (even if I'm still a bit pissed at him).

It's not like this situation is wholly unusual. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of the strong ties between Fulham and American fans because of Clint Dempsey. He left and they bought Lucas whatsisname in.
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Too many posters ARE saying he's only a marketing purchase.

That is PRECISELY why I've gone to such pains to spell out that Wang has to be a decent prospect first, and if he becomes a success, then there may well be a marketing upside which is very attractive from a point of view.

Son is such a huge national icon that SK fans are likely to continue to come to Spurs for years to come, although over time their numbers will diminish. But if we have a Yang who looks good, then all the better. I've never seen any authoritative data but I doubt if SK support at any match is more than say 5% of supporters attending any match (and might well be less) so whilst its a good number its not a 'die in a ditch' segment of fans to retain, just a 'nice to have' group of fans to add to all the other groups of fans we have. So I've no idea why some fans seem obsessed with the South Koreans.
 
Spursidol said:
Too many posters ARE saying he's only a marketing purchase.

That is PRECISELY why I've gone to such pains to spell out that Wang has to be a decent prospect first, and if he becomes a success, then there may well be a marketing upside which is very attractive from a point of view.

Son is such a huge national icon that SK fans are likely to continue to come to Spurs for years to come, although over time their numbers will diminish. But if we have a Yang who looks good, then all the better. I've never seen any authoritative data but I doubt if SK support at any match is more than say 5% of supporters attending any match (and might well be less) so whilst its a good number its not a 'die in a ditch' segment of fans to retain, just a 'nice to have' group of fans to add to all the other groups of fans we have. So I've no idea why some fans seem obsessed with the South Koreans.
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"Spurs are now supported by an amazing 12 million— almost one in four — South Koreans (according to research commissioned by AIA, the Asia-based insurance firm which is the club's shirt-front sponsor), but most things are viewed through a Son prism."

NY TIMES

It would be interesting to find out just how much money SK fans bring to the club. Obviously, the above number is mad!
 
Spursidol said:
Too many posters ARE saying he's only a marketing purchase.

That is PRECISELY why I've gone to such pains to spell out that Wang has to be a decent prospect first, and if he becomes a success, then there may well be a marketing upside which is very attractive from a point of view.

Son is such a huge national icon that SK fans are likely to continue to come to Spurs for years to come, although over time their numbers will diminish. But if we have a Yang who looks good, then all the better. I've never seen any authoritative data but I doubt if SK support at any match is more than say 5% of supporters attending any match (and might well be less) so whilst its a good number its not a 'die in a ditch' segment of fans to retain, just a 'nice to have' group of fans to add to all the other groups of fans we have. So I've no idea why some fans seem obsessed with the South Koreans.
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Not surprised, to be honest. They can't even explain how this signing differs from bringing in Bergvall, except that Yang shares the same nationality as Son.
 
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Spursidol said:
Yes you are cynical by solely emphasising his being a Son successor.

He's considered the top young player in South Korea who has high metrics compared to a lot of youngsters in other leagues so signing him is good news. If he develops well he become a Spurs first team player - is it bad that might happen after Son retires or is it a very useful added extra ?

Lets put it this way, if he flops and never develops as a player, he has no advantages over other 18 year olds who might fail at Spurs so the idea he's been bought just for marketing reasons does NOT bear scrutiny. Its nonsense.
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It is a waste actually if we missed out on buying a player that turns out to be better because we insisted on buying a player for marketing succession reasons.

I'm not saying that's what it is though- nor is the poster you are addressing- but yes, if you misspend because you over-weighted reasons adjacent to your primary remit, then you did make a mistake.
 
Dogecoin said:
Not surprised, to be honest. They can't even explain how this signing differs from bringing in Bergvall, except that Yang shares the same nationality as Son.
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I mean, if you want to completely ignore the Korean-ness of the Son-Yang connections, and how closely the club has been marketing to Koreans in particular because of the presence of Son, or geez, that we made that region a huge focus of our pre-season this year, then yeah, I guess there's literally no reason to suggest it's any different than any other signing than as you say, that they merely, coincidentally share the same nationality.

Or we can just be grownups and admit their are regional marketing considerations that are valid business reasons without it being racist? I would posit that this situation could exist with any nationality/nation and it be potentially a cynical purchase without it being specifically racist against a particular nationality/nation.

Has it ever entered the Koreans' fans minds that they might also be being cynically targeted by Levy and his marketing team on the basis on their perceived affinity for Spurs solely because they have Son on their team?

None of this is bad reasoning or racist for posters to suggest. All of this summary dismissal of such exploration of Levy and the clubs potential motives is incorrect because it dismisses perfectly legitimate theories on observed behaviors. And besides, if you're actually reading carefully what other posters are ACTUALLY saying, everyone is quite eager for this kid to come in and do well for us. There's nobody I can think of in the club or it's fans who want this player to fail whatsoever.
 
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bk_spur said:
I mean, if you want to completely ignore the Korean-ness of the Son-Yang connections, and how closely the club has been marketing to Koreans in particular because of the presence of Son, or geez, that we made that region a huge focus of our pre-season this year, then yeah, I guess there's literally no reason to suggest it's any different than any other signing than as you say, that they merely, coincidentally share the same nationality.

Or we can just be grownups and admit their are regional marketing considerations that are valid business reasons without it being racist? I would posit that this situation could exist with any nationality/nation and it be potentially a cynical purchase without it being specifically racist against a particular nationality/nation.

Has it ever entered the Koreans' fans minds that they might also be being cynically targeted by Levy and his marketing team on the basis on their perceived affinity for Spurs solely because they have Son on their team?

None of this is bad reasoning or racist for posters to suggest. All of this summary dismissal of such exploration of Levy and the clubs potential motives is incorrect because it dismisses perfectly legitimate theories on observed behaviors. And besides, if you're actually reading carefully what other posters are ACTUALLY saying, everyone is quite eager for this kid to come in and do well for us. There's nobody I can think of in the club or it's fans who want this player to fail whatsoever.
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Learn to read. Im pointing at people who are saying this signing is "only" for marketing.
 
bk_spur said:
You need to do the same shit because you did just call out another poster that did make a qualified statement of that sort.

Nice shitcoin you've picked as your avatar btw.
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You obviously can't read, I clearly mentioned multiple times marketing was one of the obvious reasons and I only argued against people who said it was the only reason. When did I ever call out another poster who was agreeing with me? lol. You dont need to start swearing to prove your ignorance. I can already tell you are not that educated.
 
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Dogecoin said:
You obviously can't read, I clearly mentioned multiple times marketing was one of the obvious reasons and I argued against people who said it was the only reason. And you dont need to start swearing to prove your ignorance. I can already tell you are not educated.
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Dogecoin said:
Not surprised, to be honest. They can't even explain how this signing differs from bringing in Bergvall, except that Yang shares the same nationality as Son.
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Case in point. Nice attempt to evade.

"No one can explain how this would be different than Bergvall, therefore they are all stupid and we are right"

Great logic. You're a real all-star.
 
bk_spur said:
Case in point. Nice attempt to evade.

"No one can explain how this would be different than Bergvall, therefore they are all stupid and we are right"

Great logic. You're a real all-star.
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I was agreeing w/ Spursidol who was trying to say it was not the 'only' reason. I even bolded his word there to emphasize.

Also go read my post:

Dogecoin said:
I remember many people suggesting that Son was bought just to boost shirt sales. Your thinking aligns with theirs. I'm not claiming that this kid is guaranteed to make the first team, and of course, marketing is one of the reasons. That's pretty obvious, but that is not the "only reason" we signed him as you are suggesting. To say he's only been signed for marketing is absurd. Yang is one of Korea's top prospects, and nurturing young talent is beneficial for our club. It's about developing players with potential, not just about marketing.
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Your stupidity is not worth my time. Go study, but I think that won't help much with that small brain.
 
Dogecoin said:
I was agreeing w/ Spursidol who was trying to say it was not the 'only' reason. I even bolded his word there to emphasize.

Also go read my post:



Your stupidity is not worth my time. Go study, but I think that won't help much with that small brain.
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Yes I know- I didn't particularly think much of Spursidol's view of the matter either.

Great work again there Sherlock.
 
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