With regards to Klopp and Simeone...
Dortmund had no right to challenge Bayern but they did (and still do).
Altetico had no right to challenge the Barca/Real hegemony but they did (and still do).
Even Liverpool were a comparative bag of shite before Klopp joined them and are now among the best in Europe.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge on trophies alone, and I do wonder if Mourinho or Pep would have the tools to achieve what those two have. But on the flip side they have certainly won more at top level.
Dortmund had no right to challenge Bayern but they did (and still do).
Altetico had no right to challenge the Barca/Real hegemony but they did (and still do).
Even Liverpool were a comparative bag of shite before Klopp joined them and are now among the best in Europe.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge on trophies alone, and I do wonder if Mourinho or Pep would have the tools to achieve what those two have. But on the flip side they have certainly won more at top level.