Yep, nowhere near the quality Man. City had in the 2017/2018 season... Who had Fernandinho, David Silva, De Bruyne in midfield and Sane, Aguero and Sterling upfront.
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Management Mourinho Vs Pep
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Guess that explains why he finished 19 points behind
Like what are we even talking about here?
By then Mourinho had De Gea, Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Lukaku, Rashford, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitayaran, Lindelof, Bailley, Shaw and Rooney.Yep, nowhere near the quality Man. City had in the 2017/2018 season... Who had Fernandinho, David Silva, De Bruyne in midfield and Sane, Aguero and Sterling upfront.
So are you saying Jose spent the money badly in comparision to Pep??
I'm saying that it was completely unthinkable that José or any other manager would finish above Man. City in 2018 with that United squad... City were light years ahead of teams like United, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool etc at the time so finishing second was a decent achievement... Certainly not failure.
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I saw someone describe Pep as "Jose in a technicolor coat". And that is not far off.
Both developed their respective style of football beyond its previous limits, both serial winners, both divisive.
But Jose's achievements at Porto and Inter edges out Pep's CV for now.
Both developed their respective style of football beyond its previous limits, both serial winners, both divisive.
But Jose's achievements at Porto and Inter edges out Pep's CV for now.
Mourinho is practical, as he has often said himself about how to play or line up, “it depends.” Pep’s sides are typically so fluid and good in attacking that he plays the same way just about every game. He is not good about being practical. When he tries to be, he usually fails.
This City squad looks beat up. After several years at the top and unable to get a breakthrough in the CL, I really think they were going to lose to Lyon regardless of the tactics. Still, you should go down fighting with your best. I don’t understand how Bernardo Silva and Mahrez were on the bench.
On this note, I don’t expect City to be a juggernaut in the PL next season. Liverpool will have lost its hunger as well, given that they’ve won the CL and PL. There is an opportunity for a new team to win the PL. A few more good additions to Spurs (RB, back up striker, maybe a CB, maybe a good young pacy winger) and we will be in contention.
what alot of people seem to forget, is that not only did jose finish second and won two trophies, but he also got to another fa cup final, where his team lost against contes chelsea, all this in two years.
Also by the time his man u team played sevilla in the champions league, he was having issues with pogba in the team.
Also by the time his man u team played sevilla in the champions league, he was having issues with pogba in the team.
Great point and - love it or hate it - seeing teams play defensively has brought up the entire standard of the European leagues so there are no ‘easy’ games anymore (case in point, Lyon yesterday).
Would be interesting to see if Zidane actually can coach with a team of non-superstars in a league where more than two teams turn up.
Between 2010/11 and 2019/2020, Jose spent:
£913,000,000
And within that same period has managed the likes of:
Ronaldo, Kaka, Casillas, Benzema, Xabi Alonso, Higuain, Ramos, Modric, Ozil, di Maria, Cole, Terry, Cech, Lampard, Salah, de Bruyne, Hazard, Torres, Eto'o, Fabregas, Courtois, Matic, Diego Costa, Drogba, Falcao, Ibrahimovic, Lukaku, de Gea, Pogba, Rooney, Martial, Carrick, Rashford, Sanchez, Lloris, Kane, Son.
He's won 0 Champions Leagues within that time and the domestic league twice.
Here's hoping he can win it all for us next year!
That´s absolutely false.
It's a bit like the debate about philosophers vs engineers in academia. One side challenges established theories and twists and turns preconceptions and debate to showcase the sport in their way. The other side runs practical experiments until they find the optimal solution. And then they run without until they are forced to run new experiments.
Pep is a football philosopher. Even in defeat he will push for his brand of the sport. Jose is an engineer. He tinkers and experiments until he finds a working formula.
I think the only negative you could have against Pep is that he’s probably under achieved in his managerial career. Less so with Barca where he probably had the best team in recent memory but I’m surprised he hasn’t won’t a CL or two with Bayern and Man City. But himself and his teams have set such high standards, that may be a little harsh.
Having said that, if the question were revised to say “Who would be a better manager at Spurs?”, then I’d say Mourinho. While Mourinho has done it at top teams, the champions league wins with Porto and Inter were more noteworthy than the two Pep got at Barca. That Barca team had some of the best players in a generation, if not all time, the other two teams couldn’t say that. While both have spent a tone of money at the teams they’ve managed, Mourinho has done better with what he had at the time. If Pep were to take over Spurs tomorrow, I could see him wanting to replace 7 or 8 of the starting eleven as I don’t think we have many players who confirm to his style of play.
Having said that, if the question were revised to say “Who would be a better manager at Spurs?”, then I’d say Mourinho. While Mourinho has done it at top teams, the champions league wins with Porto and Inter were more noteworthy than the two Pep got at Barca. That Barca team had some of the best players in a generation, if not all time, the other two teams couldn’t say that. While both have spent a tone of money at the teams they’ve managed, Mourinho has done better with what he had at the time. If Pep were to take over Spurs tomorrow, I could see him wanting to replace 7 or 8 of the starting eleven as I don’t think we have many players who confirm to his style of play.
This argument will be put to bed if Jose can win a trophy with us!
Why do you think Poch should go to a big club with all the money that dominates leagues then?
ie “do a Jose”
I love how the Utd squad is “worse” now than when Jose had it.
Wasn’t the mantra the other day that Pogba and Martial are better than they’ve ever been now, and that was used to slate Jose’s vision...
They also have an 85M CB so that must be good right?
Everyone wanted Wan Bissaka.....oh look he’s at Utd now.
Bruno Fernandes....yep you all wanted him too and slated the club for not signing him.
Same guy calling it a worse squad calling Greenwood one of the best prospects in Europe two days ago....
So out with Zlatan who didn’t play the EL final and the rest is pretty much the same players other than 4 players that people wanted us to sign.
LOL
Wasn’t the mantra the other day that Pogba and Martial are better than they’ve ever been now, and that was used to slate Jose’s vision...
They also have an 85M CB so that must be good right?
Everyone wanted Wan Bissaka.....oh look he’s at Utd now.
Bruno Fernandes....yep you all wanted him too and slated the club for not signing him.
Same guy calling it a worse squad calling Greenwood one of the best prospects in Europe two days ago....
So out with Zlatan who didn’t play the EL final and the rest is pretty much the same players other than 4 players that people wanted us to sign.
LOL
comparing Jose to The feel good but terrible squad manager OGS instead of the Klopp’s and Simeone’s (who’ve both pulled his pants down and spanked him in UCL) Kinda proves the point.