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Shit like this annoys me. Clive Allen was caretaker for probably 3 games in total the whole time, but let's count him twice in a year to make it look worse...

 
Shit like this annoys me. Clive Allen was caretaker for probably 3 games in total the whole time, but let's count him twice in a year to make it look worse...


That is frustrating and an example of people twisting stats to work for them.

What is even more ridiculous though is the fact the morons on the Levy out bandwagon are the same morons who called for each and every one of those managers heads.
 
That is frustrating and an example of people twisting stats to work for them.

What is even more ridiculous though is the fact the morons on the Levy out bandwagon are the same morons who called for each and every one of those managers heads.

I'm quite sure we've had less managers in the last 10 years than 70% of the other PL teams, but that never gets mentioned any time West Brom are looking for a manager (like now) or Norwich, Chelsea etc.
 
The best squad in the Prem and we are no more fickle than most .
You have got to be having a laugh!
No players in prem team of the year
No English players in World Cup squad
Worst 2 full backs in the prem
Extremely limited upfront
Ericksen apart, no creativity

No problems with supporting the team, but take off the Rose tinted specs
 
You have got to be having a laugh!
No players in prem team of the year
No English players in World Cup squad
Worst 2 full backs in the prem
Extremely limited upfront
Ericksen apart, no creativity

No problems with supporting the team, but take off the Rose tinted specs
No doubt Mr S Pippo was being being a tad too unrealistic, however there's also no doubt you're being an overly negative... Person either.

We had no players in the Prem team of year? That is based on how the team did in the year. It's not the best 11 players in the league by any stretch of the imagination, bar a few that is.

As for no English players, I suspect both Walker and Andros would be had they both been fit so it's hardly fair and we also have several English players about to break into our squad, Kane just has too.

Worst two full backs in the league? Again I have no idea what you're going on about. I assume you're talking about Rose and Naughton (if you're talking about Walker I suggest you watch us play and not listen to the opinions of morons). Anyway Rose and Naughton aren't even close to being the worst in the league. Naughton is a very capable backup RB, we won't get many better players willing to play second fiddle in that position. Also whilst people doubt Rose's ability for us it's worth noting he won player of the season for Sunderland so he's certainly capable and way off bottom of the league quality.

Extremely limited upfront - Here you have more of a point, but still we have Adebayor (who we will replace if he's sold), Soldado and Kane. In the likely event our next manager mainly plays with one striker that is more than sufficient. I look very brightly on Kane's future, Soldado is a quality striker on the ball and hopefully he'll hit some goal scoring form next season with some different coaching. Also all 3 of those strikers offer different things which is great for the squad.

If you think ERIKSEN (it's been far too long to still be spelling wrong) is our only creative player then you've forgotten about Holtby, Carroll, too an extent Siggy and Pritchard coming through too.

Anyway, after that long rant I'll stop distracting myself and get back to revision :chadliblow:
 
No doubt Mr S Pippo was being being a tad too unrealistic, however there's also no doubt you're being an overly negative... Person either.

We had no players in the Prem team of year? That is based on how the team did in the year. It's not the best 11 players in the league by any stretch of the imagination, bar a few that is.

As for no English players, I suspect both Walker and Andros would be had they both been fit so it's hardly fair and we also have several English players about to break into our squad, Kane just has too.

Worst two full backs in the league? Again I have no idea what you're going on about. I assume you're talking about Rose and Naughton (if you're talking about Walker I suggest you watch us play and not listen to the opinions of morons). Anyway Rose and Naughton aren't even close to being the worst in the league. Naughton is a very capable backup RB, we won't get many better players willing to play second fiddle in that position. Also whilst people doubt Rose's ability for us it's worth noting he won player of the season for Sunderland so he's certainly capable and way off bottom of the league quality.

Extremely limited upfront - Here you have more of a point, but still we have Adebayor (who we will replace if he's sold), Soldado and Kane. In the likely event our next manager mainly plays with one striker that is more than sufficient. I look very brightly on Kane's future, Soldado is a quality striker on the ball and hopefully he'll hit some goal scoring form next season with some different coaching. Also all 3 of those strikers offer different things which is great for the squad.

If you think ERIKSEN (it's been far too long to still be spelling wrong) is our only creative player then you've forgotten about Holtby, Carroll, too an extent Siggy and Pritchard coming through too.

Anyway, after that long rant I'll stop distracting myself and get back to revision :chadliblow:


To an extent, the majority seemed underwhelmed by Eriksen and weren't too kind to him until he scored a couple of free kicks, then all of a sudden he's the only creative player in the team...

I mean, Soldado has only 3 assists less than Eriksen (5 versus 8) and is playing normally on his own up front, so considering creativity isn't just assists - it's also the chances that weren't put away- then it's odd how no one has said at any point that Soldado is one of our most creative players.
 
Good luck with the revision, I have watched the two full backs for much of the season and genuinely believe Naughton is the worst in the prem. I cannot see him playing regularly in any other top 10 team, even with injuries.
Everyone is also convinced Kane is the next best thing, well he only started playing once Tim was certain he was leaving. I suspect he will be leading the line at somewhere like Norwich next year, again not a top 6 player.
As for Carroll, no one has seen enough in the first team to judge, and Holtby will get lost in all the other central midfielders in the squad who are no more than average.
I said the sixth best squad in the Prem and stick by that, we are nowhere near the top
 
To an extent, the majority seemed underwhelmed by Eriksen and weren't too kind to him until he scored a couple of free kicks, then all of a sudden he's the only creative player in the team...

I mean, Soldado has only 3 assists less than Eriksen (5 versus 8) and is playing normally on his own up front, so considering creativity isn't just assists - it's also the chances that weren't put away- then it's odd how no one has said at any point that Soldado is one of our most creative players.
You have a good point but I wanted to make a solid argument first with no holes to get my point across.

Anyway in terms of chances created Eriksen was of course our most creative player but that is of no surprise. What will probably surpirse people is how Walker, Chadli, Adebayor, Soldado, Dembele and Lennon all created half as many as him. Considring people consider Eriksen as our only creative outlet and between those 6 players alone they created 3 times as many chances as Eriksen I think it's safe to say our squad has creativity. It just needs a system to deploy it in. It is also worth noting that Eriksen's creativity stats are largely inflated by the fact he's been our set piece taker (as very good one though I must admit).
 
Gazza306 Gazza306

You said we had the two worst full backs in the league, then retrack and say they wouldn't be starters in the top 10.
As was said we don't have the best squad but certainly a better one than at least Everton, if not Liverpool and woolwich. Squads arnt simply the starting 11 but the whole 25..
 
You have a good point but I wanted to make a solid argument first with no holes to get my point across.

Anyway in terms of chances created Eriksen was of course our most creative player but that is of no surprise. What will probably surpirse people is how Walker, Chadli, Adebayor, Soldado, Dembele and Lennon all created half as many as him. Considring people consider Eriksen as our only creative outlet and between those 6 players alone they created 3 times as many chances as Eriksen I think it's safe to say our squad has creativity. It just needs a system to deploy it in. It is also worth noting that Eriksen's creativity stats are largely inflated by the fact he's been our set piece taker (as very good one though I must admit).

Eriksen can't take a corner to save his life but boy can he take a free kick!
 
You have a good point but I wanted to make a solid argument first with no holes to get my point across.

Anyway in terms of chances created Eriksen was of course our most creative player but that is of no surprise. What will probably surpirse people is how Walker, Chadli, Adebayor, Soldado, Dembele and Lennon all created half as many as him. Considring people consider Eriksen as our only creative outlet and between those 6 players alone they created 3 times as many chances as Eriksen I think it's safe to say our squad has creativity. It just needs a system to deploy it in. It is also worth noting that Eriksen's creativity stats are largely inflated by the fact he's been our set piece taker (as very good one though I must admit).

This is a prime example of how stats don't tell the whole story though. For instance, if we're judging creativity on "chances created," then it completely disregards genuine attempts made (opportunity-creating pass, not simply a head-down cross at pace). Eriksen has been our only consistent source of creativity this season, so the man isn't entirely wrong. The guy's going to need some help from his wingers and from the deeper midfield positions if we're to ever get back to a consistently effective attacking side.
 
Gazza306 Gazza306

You said we had the two worst full backs in the league, then retrack and say they wouldn't be starters in the top 10.
As was said we don't have the best squad but certainly a better one than at least Everton, if not Liverpool and woolwich. Squads arnt simply the starting 11 but the whole 25..

Semantics really, but I'd say 5th after the top four (although I have to admit that Liverpool is debatable, considering their first eleven and immediate fringe players are just leaps and bounds above the rest of their squad options), and above Everton and Man U. Man U have had a rather weak squad by their standards for a few years now, and it was about time they were exposed.
 
If the squad is that good, then I guess the problem is the first XI?
As that would explain our awful showing against the top 4 this season.
Is the suggestion that the new manager needs to buy 2/3 starters, and everything will be ok?
 
If the squad is that good, then I guess the problem is the first XI?
As that would explain our awful showing against the top 4 this season.
Is the suggestion that the new manager needs to buy 2/3 starters, and everything will be ok?

The remedy most likely includes a combination of a few factors: new manager with fresh ideas, fresh ideas hopefully conducive to at least the majority of the squad, removal of a few poor tactics that are poorly compatible with the current squad, and introduction of a few needed players of quality in a few positions of weakness. No lone solution available, but I believe it's still doable this summer given the pieces in place (Broomfield return and Baldini role shift).
 
If the squad is that good, then I guess the problem is the first XI?
As that would explain our awful showing against the top 4 this season.
Is the suggestion that the new manager needs to buy 2/3 starters, and everything will be ok?

I don't think it's an awful lot to do with the squad.

The difference between us and the top four has been a combination of experience and skill at a managerial level, and a level of quality that has been bought with funds that no other team can now replicate - due to FFP. Chelsea & City stole a march on us, Woolwich have an inferior squad but a lot of experience at managerial level with emanates through the players as belief.

Liverpool just seemed to have a form season, I'm not sure whether Rodgers is a genius or just has the benefit of a squad at it's peak (or coaching staff doing a good job).

The reason why we need a good manager and had to replace Tim was due to the pure fact that the difference between the top 5 and bottom 15 is a good manager (case in point, Moyes)
 
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