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If he's really in--and we've been here before, so let's see him actually holding up the shirt--then I will get behind him and give him a chance. I'm just excited for this damn search to be over, so Paratici can get to the business we desperately need to do in transfers.
 
If he's really in--and we've been here before, so let's see him actually holding up the shirt--then I will get behind him and give him a chance. I'm just excited for this damn search to be over, so Paratici can get to the business we desperately need to do in transfers.
Paratici doesnt officially start work until tomorrow, and per reports has only just got into the country - regardless of manager situation Id expect fair movement on players from here on anyway.

Perhaps pending the Euros too.
 
Thanks.

Are you talking his entire tenure? Or more specifically last season?

Seems to me things went really well for a while, and then tailed off - would that be fair to say?

And if so - play devils advocate - what could we expect if we saw the best of Nuno?
Basically a combination of what we were told by Valencia and Porto fans, and what I've experienced during his tenure here.
At Porto, he didn't do too badly, but failing to win the league and any cups saw him sacked. He approached games with a Defensive mindset and struggled to break down teams that defended.

Same as at Valencia, when he left there he hadn't lost many games, he just drew too many.

You can split his tenure into three parts, championship and pre Wembley defeat to Watford and post Wembley defeat.

Championship we were too good. We had signed players from top sides in Europe and waltzed it. We were comfortable BUT we didn't turn teams over. We went 1 or 2 up and stepped off the gas and controlled games. But we could afford to do this because the skill gap was so wide.

Pre-wembley:
We pressed teams and counter attacked to perfection with pace. Obviously as a new team to the league, teams saw us as vulnerable and tried to attack and we exploited it, this was some of the better football we played and we became known for this swashbuckling counter attacking style.
When teams didn't attack and sat back, we didn't have the ability to break them down like we did in the championship. We lost twice to Huddersfield who finished on 16 pts, conceded 76 goals, and only won 3 times.

Wembley:
Raced into a 2-0 lead then sat back. Conceded a first, Nuno made subs to defend lead rather than remain a threat on the counter. Lost our attacking threat, lost 3-2. This marked the change.

Post Wembley:
Refused to commit men forward, at all. We lost all style, counter attacks went out the window, Neves' role changed from being an orchestrator a la Pirlo, into basically babysitting Conor Coady for 90 minutes and us playing with a back 6.
Intent from set pieces dried up.
Same squad selections week in week out. Our only tactic was give it to Adama. Every match was groundhog day, strikers were instructed to come back and defend, so when we did break through the lines with Adama, we had nobody in the box to cross to.
I maintain that last two seasons we did not have any attacking training at all, there was zero cohesion or pattern to attacks, it relied on individual brilliance from Adama and Neto. We focused on nullifying the opposition and their tactics. It was very spurs/late united Mourinhoesque.

If you get the best out of Nuno:
Fast counter attacks, overlapping fullbacks (he did invert Doherty but that's because Doherty is a shithead who spent most of his days stood on the penalty spot to stat pad his FPL while Moutinho or Dendoncker covered the RB spot) and inside forwards running at centre backs. Long raking balls from midfielders switching the play.

This style won't work for Spurs as the onus is on them to break down teams, rather than rely solely on the counter attack. Which is why I'm strongly of the belief it won't end well.

Nuno is a good guy who builds a rapport with the fans, but this is a double edged sword, as his nice persona to the fans gives him "credit in the bank" and saves him from being asked the tough questions.
 
I'm a wolves fan and can confirm that since we lost to Watford at Wembley, the football has been turgid, dire, boring.

Only one game plan. 10 men behind the ball, and when we have the ball give it to Adama.

Nuno insisted on a small squad because he's a poor man manager (see Aboubakar / Marega at Porto, what happened at Valencia, Cutrone, MGW at Wolves) and can't handle it when we got injuries.

Set pieces - rather than swing the ball in to 6'5" Willy Boly, we relentlessly played short corners and didn't beat the first man with the resultant cross, so didn't even commit bodies forward for set pieces. This didn't change. We had zero attacking threat from set pieces.
Burnley took 3 players out of the box to mark the short corners option. Yes they triple marked him. We still played the short corner.

The worst part? He'd select the same players week in week out, same formation week in week out, same short corners week in week out, then he'd talk about the need to find solutions in every single press conference. He never changed anything.

Breaking down teams that were better than us? Yeah we did that to good effect, but look at results against teams that weren't actively trying to beat us and sat back.

From 2019/20 - 2020/21 end.
West Brom - 1D 1L
Burnley - 2D 2L
Palace - 2W 1D 1L
Newcastle - 4D
Southampton - 2W 2D
Brighton - 1W 3D - win was due to a red card.
Chorley - 1-0 win in cup but they absolutely battered us.

The poor results were purely tactical, in quite a few of these games we got lucky - Southampton smacked us in those wins but VAR helped us.
Brighton, were all over us until a silly red card, even then we didn't push for a winner against their 10 men.
Newcastle - late goals to salvage points but he was consistently tactically outclassed by Steve Bruce, even when he was at villa.

Results against these types of team define Spurs' season, they're not relegation 6 pointers, these are expected wins. Teams sit back, drop points against Burnley and you pray the same happens to the teams around you.

10 years we waited for revenge against West Brom. Local rivalry. Last time we played they smacked us and started the spiral that ended with us in league 1. This time it's their worst squad in decades and our best squad, full of internationals and seasoned players.

Nuno didn't even get them fired up. It was absolutely pathetic. Cowardly performance, sit back and watch big Sam dick us with a long ball bombardment.

You can't have ever watched us for 90 minutes against a non top-6 team, because we were just awful.

Don’t worry we are used to it with AVB and Jose. If a boring manager is around Levy will ignore our history of attacking football and go with the dinosaur.
 
Always remember: this is what Levy really thinks of you.

This is the sewer level of regard he has for you.

He'll abuse and exploit your love for the club and serve you a plate of steaming hot turds garnished with snot, with a smile on his face.

And the submissive, masochistic hordes will tuck in and say, "... hey, it's not that bad, actually... mmmm... "
 
It’s 2021 and we’ve endured a pandemic and Mourino since then so damn right, we shouldn’t be happy with him

what other ex goalkeepers have been successful managers?!!
And he was pretty much a back up goalie his whole career. Hopefully that gave him lots of time to observe the coaches and managers
 
Always remember: this is what Levy really thinks of you.

This is the sewer level of regard he has for you.

He'll abuse and exploit your love for the club and serve you a plate of steaming hot turds garnished with snot, with a smile on his face.

And the submissive, masochistic hordes will tuck in and say, "... hey, it's not that bad, actually... mmmm... "

I don’t think this time. If you don’t offer success then you must offer a decent style of football. We all had all lowered our expectations, I wanted Ten Hag, would have taken Potter or at worst even Eddie Howe. The Jose experience of utter wank football meant we all just wanted excitement, seems like that has been pissed in the wind.

I am not sure how anyone can make a defence of the chairman anymore, even ‘’remember the 90’s’’ doesn’t work as a number of 90’s seasons where a lot better than the last season we just had.
 
Basically a combination of what we were told by Valencia and Porto fans, and what I've experienced during his tenure here.
At Porto, he didn't do too badly, but failing to win the league and any cups saw him sacked. He approached games with a Defensive mindset and struggled to break down teams that defended.

Same as at Valencia, when he left there he hadn't lost many games, he just drew too many.

You can split his tenure into three parts, championship and pre Wembley defeat to Watford and post Wembley defeat.

Championship we were too good. We had signed players from top sides in Europe and waltzed it. We were comfortable BUT we didn't turn teams over. We went 1 or 2 up and stepped off the gas and controlled games. But we could afford to do this because the skill gap was so wide.

Pre-wembley:
We pressed teams and counter attacked to perfection with pace. Obviously as a new team to the league, teams saw us as vulnerable and tried to attack and we exploited it, this was some of the better football we played and we became known for this swashbuckling counter attacking style.
When teams didn't attack and sat back, we didn't have the ability to break them down like we did in the championship. We lost twice to Huddersfield who finished on 16 pts, conceded 76 goals, and only won 3 times.

Wembley:
Raced into a 2-0 lead then sat back. Conceded a first, Nuno made subs to defend lead rather than remain a threat on the counter. Lost our attacking threat, lost 3-2. This marked the change.

Post Wembley:
Refused to commit men forward, at all. We lost all style, counter attacks went out the window, Neves' role changed from being an orchestrator a la Pirlo, into basically babysitting Conor Coady for 90 minutes and us playing with a back 6.
Intent from set pieces dried up.
Same squad selections week in week out. Our only tactic was give it to Adama. Every match was groundhog day, strikers were instructed to come back and defend, so when we did break through the lines with Adama, we had nobody in the box to cross to.
I maintain that last two seasons we did not have any attacking training at all, there was zero cohesion or pattern to attacks, it relied on individual brilliance from Adama and Neto. We focused on nullifying the opposition and their tactics. It was very spurs/late united Mourinhoesque.

If you get the best out of Nuno:
Fast counter attacks, overlapping fullbacks (he did invert Doherty but that's because Doherty is a shithead who spent most of his days stood on the penalty spot to stat pad his FPL while Moutinho or Dendoncker covered the RB spot) and inside forwards running at centre backs. Long raking balls from midfielders switching the play.

This style won't work for Spurs as the onus is on them to break down teams, rather than rely solely on the counter attack. Which is why I'm strongly of the belief it won't end well.

Nuno is a good guy who builds a rapport with the fans, but this is a double edged sword, as his nice persona to the fans gives him "credit in the bank" and saves him from being asked the tough questions.


Thanks, really appreciate the effort.
 
If there is no compensation involved he's all over it, it doesn't matter about style then. 4 of our last 5 managers were free to appoint. What a way to run a supposed top level football club.

Penny wise pound foolish. After 20 years he still hasn’t made the connection between getting a decent quality of player/manager and improving the asset worth of the club by increasing the value of the squad overall and the money from the CL football and sponsorship brings. It’s all short term tactics and opportunism with little overarching vision.

Ironically he runs the bussiness side very strategically, the stadium, the NFL. All of that is done with a thoughtful long term view but that is never actually applied to the team.
 
Bunch of drama queens on here. This is not Jose 2.0.

We will be fine and finish 5th/6th.

We need a couple years to weed out the shit squad players and steady the ship and then we can sack Nuno off for whatever "superstar" manager is around at the time. (Levy is probably waiting for the first chance to get Poch back in anyway).

Get Nuno in and let Patrici get to work rebuilding this squad as that is far and away the priority right now.
 
I'm a wolves fan and can confirm that since we lost to Watford at Wembley, the football has been turgid, dire, boring.

Only one game plan. 10 men behind the ball, and when we have the ball give it to Adama.

Nuno insisted on a small squad because he's a poor man manager (see Aboubakar / Marega at Porto, what happened at Valencia, Cutrone, MGW at Wolves) and can't handle it when we got injuries.

Set pieces - rather than swing the ball in to 6'5" Willy Boly, we relentlessly played short corners and didn't beat the first man with the resultant cross, so didn't even commit bodies forward for set pieces. This didn't change. We had zero attacking threat from set pieces.
Burnley took 3 players out of the box to mark the short corners option. Yes they triple marked him. We still played the short corner.

The worst part? He'd select the same players week in week out, same formation week in week out, same short corners week in week out, then he'd talk about the need to find solutions in every single press conference. He never changed anything.

Breaking down teams that were better than us? Yeah we did that to good effect, but look at results against teams that weren't actively trying to beat us and sat back.

From 2019/20 - 2020/21 end.
West Brom - 1D 1L
Burnley - 2D 2L
Palace - 2W 1D 1L
Newcastle - 4D
Southampton - 2W 2D
Brighton - 1W 3D - win was due to a red card.
Chorley - 1-0 win in cup but they absolutely battered us.

The poor results were purely tactical, in quite a few of these games we got lucky - Southampton smacked us in those wins but VAR helped us.
Brighton, were all over us until a silly red card, even then we didn't push for a winner against their 10 men.
Newcastle - late goals to salvage points but he was consistently tactically outclassed by Steve Bruce, even when he was at villa.

Results against these types of team define Spurs' season, they're not relegation 6 pointers, these are expected wins. Teams sit back, drop points against Burnley and you pray the same happens to the teams around you.

10 years we waited for revenge against West Brom. Local rivalry. Last time we played they smacked us and started the spiral that ended with us in league 1. This time it's their worst squad in decades and our best squad, full of internationals and seasoned players.

Nuno didn't even get them fired up. It was absolutely pathetic. Cowardly performance, sit back and watch big Sam dick us with a long ball bombardment.

You can't have ever watched us for 90 minutes against a non top-6 team, because we were just awful.

Basically a combination of what we were told by Valencia and Porto fans, and what I've experienced during his tenure here.
At Porto, he didn't do too badly, but failing to win the league and any cups saw him sacked. He approached games with a Defensive mindset and struggled to break down teams that defended.

Same as at Valencia, when he left there he hadn't lost many games, he just drew too many.

You can split his tenure into three parts, championship and pre Wembley defeat to Watford and post Wembley defeat.

Championship we were too good. We had signed players from top sides in Europe and waltzed it. We were comfortable BUT we didn't turn teams over. We went 1 or 2 up and stepped off the gas and controlled games. But we could afford to do this because the skill gap was so wide.

Pre-wembley:
We pressed teams and counter attacked to perfection with pace. Obviously as a new team to the league, teams saw us as vulnerable and tried to attack and we exploited it, this was some of the better football we played and we became known for this swashbuckling counter attacking style.
When teams didn't attack and sat back, we didn't have the ability to break them down like we did in the championship. We lost twice to Huddersfield who finished on 16 pts, conceded 76 goals, and only won 3 times.

Wembley:
Raced into a 2-0 lead then sat back. Conceded a first, Nuno made subs to defend lead rather than remain a threat on the counter. Lost our attacking threat, lost 3-2. This marked the change.

Post Wembley:
Refused to commit men forward, at all. We lost all style, counter attacks went out the window, Neves' role changed from being an orchestrator a la Pirlo, into basically babysitting Conor Coady for 90 minutes and us playing with a back 6.
Intent from set pieces dried up.
Same squad selections week in week out. Our only tactic was give it to Adama. Every match was groundhog day, strikers were instructed to come back and defend, so when we did break through the lines with Adama, we had nobody in the box to cross to.
I maintain that last two seasons we did not have any attacking training at all, there was zero cohesion or pattern to attacks, it relied on individual brilliance from Adama and Neto. We focused on nullifying the opposition and their tactics. It was very spurs/late united Mourinhoesque.

If you get the best out of Nuno:
Fast counter attacks, overlapping fullbacks (he did invert Doherty but that's because Doherty is a shithead who spent most of his days stood on the penalty spot to stat pad his FPL while Moutinho or Dendoncker covered the RB spot) and inside forwards running at centre backs. Long raking balls from midfielders switching the play.

This style won't work for Spurs as the onus is on them to break down teams, rather than rely solely on the counter attack. Which is why I'm strongly of the belief it won't end well.

Nuno is a good guy who builds a rapport with the fans, but this is a double edged sword, as his nice persona to the fans gives him "credit in the bank" and saves him from being asked the tough questions.
despair GIF
 
Fuck me. So underwhelming.

:avbcringe:

Anyway, it is what it is. Will fully support him.

But I hold Levy 100% responsible for everything. I’m done with the bullshit club politics nonsense. This cheapskate prick signs off on everything.
 
Nuno's Wolves exit: Almost sacked in January, players questioning approach but ‘emotions will overflow' when he goes

Here's the juice we all want to hear:

A source close to the club says: “There has been a few problems there since October. Players were questioning things about Nuno’s approach. He didn’t lose the dressing room, but they were wondering whether he was as good of a manager as people were making out. There’s a real lack of structure and leadership there, too. Kevin Thelwell (the former sporting director) was very good at bringing departments together, he was very good at managing processes, but things haven’t run as smoothly since.

“It goes as far down as bringing together the medical team and the players, basic things that used to be very clear in the past.”


...

Recruitment had also been an issue. Nuno had the final say on new signings and tended to side with Mendes options rather than those put forward by the in-house recruitment team, often against their advice. For example, Spanish international Dani Olmo was available in January 2020 but Nuno sided with Mendes client Daniel Podence from Olympiakos instead, with Olmo going to RB Leipzig.
Doesn’t sound very promising
 
Always remember: this is what Levy really thinks of you.

This is the sewer level of regard he has for you.

He'll abuse and exploit your love for the club and serve you a plate of steaming hot turds garnished with snot, with a smile on his face.

And the submissive, masochistic hordes will tuck in and say, "... hey, it's not that bad, actually... mmmm... "

Bunch of drama queens on here. This is not Jose 2.0.

We will be fine and finish 5th/6th.

We need a couple years to weed out the shit squad players and steady the ship and then we can sack Nuno off for whatever "superstar" manager is around at the time. (Levy is probably waiting for the first chance to get Poch back in anyway).

Get Nuno in and let Patrici get to work rebuilding this squad as that is far and away the priority right now.

See.
 
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