I don't understand this. Some English players are not homegrown, or cease to qualify? Help.
As far as Spurs are concerned we have 2 British players Dier and Davies.
Because Dier started his career in Portugal he is classed as non-HG for both the ECL and EPL.
Because Davies started his career in Wales he is classed as non-HG for ECL but not EPL.
All our other British players are classed as HG.
Unless you care about how the issue affects other clubs that's basically it.
Edit: Foyth (similar to Dier) will have spent his early career in England so from season 2020-21 he will be considered HG for both ECL and EPL.
He wont. You have to have been on our books from 16-17 to class as a homegrown. Fairly certain foyth will class as a foreign playerI have just edited my post to make it clearer. From season 2020-21 Foyth will be considered HG for EPL and club trained for ECL
1919-20 Foyth is considered U21 for both ECL and EPL.
Is this helping or not?
sudoku is correct.He wont. You have to have been on our books from 16-17 to class as a homegrown. Fairly certain foyth will class as a foreign player
Boris and Farage say yes because they are attention seekers.Ok, got it. So, Dier is portugese, Davies is English outside of England, but is English in England. Foyth, born in Argentina, will be English next year. Does any of this BS have anything to do with Brexit?
I'm pretty sure he didn't join us until just after his 19th birthday, which means he won't have 3 years total time at our club by the time he turns 22. It's a damn shame.Foyth will be U21 at the beginning of and will have spent 3 years at Spurs at the end of season 2019-20.
UEFA defines locally-trained or 'homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21.
Sort of actually. Under EU law they aren't allowed to just have a quota of English players because it would go against freedom of movement - an EU citizen would have restrictions on them working in the UK as a footballer than a UK citizen wouldn't have. So they have to use this as a workaround, so that it isn't based on nationality, and they can claim that it's about encouraging youth development rather than English players specifically. Post-Brexit if we leave the single market then we would be able to just make it English or British players instead if we wanted to for the Premier League, but UEFA competitions would continue to use the workaround system because obviously most participating clubs are in the EU and the rules have to be the same for everyone competing.Ok, got it. So, Dier is portugese, Davies is English outside of England, but is English in England. Foyth, born in Argentina, will be English next year. Does any of this BS have anything to do with Brexit?
Swansea and Cardiff are affiliated to the Football Association of Wales (notThe Football Association to which Spurs and other PL clubs are affiliated) so although both Swansea and Cardiff play in the English league system, any players coming through their youth systems are not Home Grown for other PL clubs ( for UEFA purposes,) but are regarded as "overseas trained".The Dier thing I understand the rationale for, but the Davies thing is utterly absurd. Swansea City play in the English league system! The whole point is to incentivize national league systems to develop their own players!
I believe that the relevance has more to do with international football youth development. Wales has a team, as does Scotland and Northern Ireland... Kinda weird how CL follows along though!Is that of any relevance to the management and regulation of their youth schemes?
UEFA rules say only youngsters trained at clubs affiliated to The FA count as homegrown for PL clubs, but otherwise the management of Swansea and Cardiff Academies can be as good as any other PL academy.Is that of any relevance to the management and regulation of their youth schemes?
Agreed,Hopefully this is correct:
ECL rules: Dier was trained in Portugal. Non-HG.
ECL rules: Davies was trained in Wales. Non-HG
EPL rules: Davies is HG.
ECL rules: Foyth has been at Spurs 2 years and is List B (U 21)
ECL rules: Parrott joined Spurs on 1/7/18 so can't be U21.
ECL rules: Sessegnon has not been with us 2 years: Association
EPL rules: Sessegnon: U21
Assuming Wanyama leaves here is the updated squad:
EPL ECL NON-HG (14) NON-HG (16) LLORIS LLORIS GAZZANIGA GAZZANIGA ALDERWEIRELD ALDERWEIRELD VERTONGHEN VERTONGHEN SANCHEZ SANCHEZ DIER DIER SISSOKO SISSOKO NDOMBELE NDOMBELE LAMELA LAMELA LO CELSO LO CELSO MOURA MOURA SON SON DAVIES PARROTT ERIKSEN ERIKSEN AURIER AURIER HG (6) ASSOCIATION (2) DAVIES SESSEGNON ALLI ALLI CLUB (4) KWP KWP WINKS WINKS KANE KANE ROSE ROSE SQUAD TOTAL: 20 SQUAD TOTAL: 22 MAX 17 NON-HG MAX 17 NON-HG IF 17 NON-HG IF 17 NON-HG MAX 8 HG MAX 8 HG (MAX 4 ASSOCIATION) MAX TOTAL 25 MAX TOTAL 25 U 21 ON 1ST JAN IN YEAR SEASON STARTS (UNDER 21) LIST B (UNDER 21) No restrictions With Spurs 2 years