This is a good thing isn’t it . Get rid of the squad completely and start again. VDV is off in the summer regardless . The rest of the squad I would happily see leave . The sooner the better
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Management Relegation
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This is insanity. Absolutely no basis for this.It's an internet forum. I have one belief, and you have another. One of us will be right come May and one of us will be wrong.
That is exactly how it works.
I'm dismissive of it because of the reasons I've stated. These players are shite. But they're not that shite. They'll not be 3 points worse than Forest AND 5 points worse than West Ham across the final 10 matches, and will in all likelihood manage to be at least 2 points better than Leeds across those 10 matches.
1 of those clubs may well finish ahead of us. Possibly even 2. All 3 will not.
I'll not discuss it anymore. Anyone who fancies having a friendly wager to benefit Hope in Haringey is welcome to have it. (I did lose my Brennan Johnson wagers last year, afterall)
The biggest fallacy here is assuming we'll get points magically, just because.
There's no guarantee we pick up any more points at all- football matches actually have to be played and won to make that happen.
People believing stats make things happen by themselves... is foolish beyond belief. Especially so when it comes to this club with it's reputation for epic critical failures.
Did you watch the video ?
I did and can counter a lot of the points…. They assume we don’t have relegation clauses, we do. They admit there’s a lot of unknowns.
They talk about a cost base excl player wages of 400m, that’s miles off, more like 300M. They assume if we sell all our players we recoup 200M, that’s miles offf - we could get that from selling the back 5 and still have a decent defence vs champ level. Add Richy as a sale, maybe Bentancur and say Tel and the wage bill is 150M lower (incl Muani and Paulinha) and you’ve got 300M on the balance sheet to cover losses and buy some players
The commercial revenue drop is a fair point and an unknown but if revenue went from 550m to 275M, the above would cover it and set a new lower cost base.
An investor would see it as an opportunity
Kinsky
Spence Danso Vusko Udogie
Hackney Gallagher Bervall
Odober Solanke Moore
Add a few new players and you can quiclly build a squad -Devine, Davies, Kulu, Maddison, Kudus, LWB etc
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Your line up suggests a lot of players going which was the subject wasn’t it ?
Ahhh I remember it was about valuation of the club
In valuation terms, a club might trade at 8–10× sustainable earnings in the Premier League, but only 4–6× in the Championship. That multiple compression — not just lost revenue, this would include share valuation which represents a claim on future earnings etc — is what drives the 40–60% drop.
I still think we will survive , just but if we don’t get a result against Palace then I’ll really start to worry
A result being an actual... win? We don't do that here
I’ve learned not to go with the heart when it comes to us of late . Yes we should be bearing Palace at home but in reality we’ve shown nothing to just expect that , we’ve been dire but I still have the hope that we’ll miraculously turn it around. That hope fades 20 mins into a game & stupidity returns for the second half
I don’t have a view on those ratios but they sound reasonable. The reason for raising players going etc is because it shows that ratio prob wouldnt apply as this is such an unprecedented case as per the video.
We could cover losses, cut costs accordingly and still have a side that would be favourites to bounce back up in ten months. I actually think you would finally see ENIC invest, possibly even outside investment to secure the promotion and quickly get the club back up to secure their valuation
My hope is that we stay up & this scares the bejesus out of ENIC into remembering that football is an integral part of the beast they’ve created.
I'm 73 next month , I'm with you on that one mate , sad times indeed
Just as you accuse others of making assumptions so I must say are you.
What we all seem to be assuming is that it’s more than likely there will be provision in the contracts to reduce players wages but one thing that hasn’t been even talked about and would almost certainly be included is mention of a fee should relegation happen.
Historically there are a couple of way fees would be covered. The first would be a set fee that would be way below market value. The other which is potentially just as damaging is the fee would determined by the amount of any fee left to be amortised
Of course you would expect that should relegation happen that there would be a return after one year but that would be far from a given. The championship is a marathon and can you imagine how motivated players at say Barnsley will be to welcome Spurs or how they will be when it comes to playing Spurs away.
Income might hold up to the high £200 million sort of numbers in year one but that would be drop even further if exile was more than one year but most of the running costs will still be the same as they will in year two etc.
There is no upside if relegation happens
Another dilemma is that even if we do stay up, does anybody see us regaining our position as a serious force under ENIC? ...
....I mean seriously?
I think it's far more likely we remain a bottom half also ran while they continue to milk the events stadium we're paying for.
This is our place. This is what they have turned us in to.
In 3 seasons we have lost Kane, Son, Lloris, Holjberg, Dier - all lock room leaders. Experience players in Perisic, Royal and Moura. And home grown talent in Winks, Skipp and Tanganga.
In leadership we have lost Levy and Cullen, and replaced them with accountants and marketing men.
What's left is a bunch of strangers with little love of affiliation with Spurs. After the cup win, there was a unity and the squad had the taste of success, ready to build and push on. ENIC then flushed it away to bring in Mr Pragmatic.
Just about Tudor and the team until and hopefully we secure safety.
Fcuk ENIC for now.
Fcuk ENIC for now.
Not accusing anyone of making assumptions, everyone’s opinion has assumptions factored in and that’s ok.
I’m talking about selling 3 or 4 players. The fee is driven by the buyers - there will be many clubs hosting to take Romero and VDV which will create a market price, not some desperate bargain price
I think relegation will cause a shock and create a change in strategy from the ownership - they either invest to secure stability and promotion, or sell a minority, or majority stake…. As well as sacking Lange and Vinai et al
Whether we stay up or not, in the summer I want the majority of this squad sold.
I don't care if they're internationals.
I don't care if they're actually decent players.
I don't care if there's potential for them to come good.
There is a disgusting mentality at Spurs now. One I just don't believe we can fix with a new coach, no matter who he is or how good he is.
It's too far gone and the best thing to do, is get rid of as many players who are moping about with a lack of interest.
I would say at this point there are no jewels. Not a single player should be safe from being sold.
We should not mourn the loss of anyone.
I don't care if they're internationals.
I don't care if they're actually decent players.
I don't care if there's potential for them to come good.
There is a disgusting mentality at Spurs now. One I just don't believe we can fix with a new coach, no matter who he is or how good he is.
It's too far gone and the best thing to do, is get rid of as many players who are moping about with a lack of interest.
I would say at this point there are no jewels. Not a single player should be safe from being sold.
We should not mourn the loss of anyone.
I'm another 75 year old
If we go down (its 50/50 at the moment I reckon) I think we will be back in the EPL in one or two years - the key will be getting a young capable and ambitious manager
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