...well you gotta be in it to win it, that's a start!
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Management Relegation
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Yea, all true.
And guys, please do not forget.
AFTER we had sold Johnson.
AND seen Kudus get a long term injury.
AND not actually bringing in an attacking player.
that was not yet the end of imbecile-level decisions.
We STILL followed it up by loaning out Scarlett (!!) to ACTIVELY FURTHER make us lighter in attacking department.
It is not even just stupid anymore. It is much more. It is fucking criminal.
I am pretty sure that there are 6 yo kids in the stands that would not do something as stupid as that chain of events....
They could hardly hide their erections. Absolutely gagging for us to go down.
Both things can (and in this case are) true at the same time.
Mentality of this squad is shit. And it is very much shaped by the recent managers.
Ange came completely normalized not even trying to win EPL games for months upon months.
After making very weird stand about "accepting/wanting to lose" one game. Yet then was totally OK with us losing 20 games in following season.
Then Frank came in. And picked a captain that is definition of poor example. Someone who has always and publicly put himself and NT ahead of Spurs and who lacks very basic discipline and does not even speak the fucking language (!). Then tried to win some authority by banishing easy target of Bissouma from pre-season games. And then pathetically brought him back trying to ghost fans like there never was issue with him at all.
All that has very-very strongly contributed to the current climate. Climate of total lack of accountability.
Where you don't have to even try. Heck, where you don't need to even be there on time (!) and all that is accepted and rewarded.
That is perfect way to destroy culture and spine of the side.
My usual ticket still 51 quid. I've bought it but it is too much money. They needed to halve that again.
Of course Ange and Frank were crap to a degree but ultimately it is on the players.
I agree with your too too btw.
Yea, well, it is rarely "one or the other".
Both clearly have their big share of blame unfortunately.
Watch Us Rise
It's too simplistic to say we have better players than those.
Better individuals does not equal a better performing team.
And even at the individual level:
West Ham: more match-winners (Bowen and Summerville)
Forest: Vastly superior engine room (MGW and Anderson)
Palace : Adam Wharton > our whole midfield
It’s also our top players Maddison, Bergvall, Kulusevski are injured and Kudus is also a huge miss.
Summerville and Bowen are no better than what we have at our best.
We just have had no players who have stood up. It is quite inconceivable.
And hear this mate, if we win we are above all those teams, so explain away your theory, and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.
Nonsense. Why do you think they put Kudas up for sale and not Bowen or Summerville?
The players don't care. Most of them are internationals who are more focused on the WC this summer than helping the club stay up. It's been clear that they despise the board, club management, and the supporters. They all know that their agents will work on moves for them while they're competing for their countries this summer.
Wonder what they will do re ticket prices if we go down.
You cant charge 90quid to watch wrexham ,although they may leapfrog us
You cant charge 90quid to watch wrexham ,although they may leapfrog us
he's not wrong though. The writing is on the wall.Well you're a little fucking ray of sunshine, ain't ya?
Not saying you can't have your opinions, or truly believe them... That's your choice entirely, and good luck to you...
But I just hope to fuck you're not doing the team talk this evening!!!
What we are leaning on for hope here? Realistically?
Blind faith?
We have the worst home record in the league over the past two seasons so can't lean on that.
We have the worst form last 10 games in the league, so no positives to be found there.
We are the only club in all four professional tiers of English football without a win in 2026.
Most of our creative players are still in the physio room.
Our new interim manager is so out of his depth we may as well have hired the guy who cleans the stadium windows.
And 90% of our players are absolutely spineless shithouses with no fight and a severe lack of professionalism.
Other than that yeah of course we are going to win 4-0 tonight
COYS!
By no means did I enjoy the football. He had no Kulu, Maddison, Solanke for his entire tenure. We qualified top 8 in CL with far harder fixtures than the likes of Qarabag, ferencvaros etcFrank’s terrible football could win us the CL and finish 17th again?
In all honesty Frank’s tenure is the same as the Labour Party. Had a one off chance to really change things and stamp your authority on the big issues.
I was pro Frank, and he was a lot more defensive than I thought he’d be. At the same time his only January arrival is Gallagher. Bit of a pisstake no? It’s been mentioned before the attacking players Frank left at Brentford are better than ours. I’m sure he was expecting way more in the summer and other players in January too. He had Maddison and Kulu out for the season and zero replacement allowed.
From Frank’s point of view, yes he’s taken on this big job at spurs. He’s got absolutely stitched up in the two windows he’s had. Allowed to sign Kudus (club signing) Palinha on loan and Gallagher? As first team players.
I’d be absolutely raging, wasn’t allow to stamp his mark on the club and got told to get on with it.
Of course he didn't get much in the way of transfers but he did get more than 3 teenagers and Solanke. I feel even if madders or kulu were fit Frank still wouldn't ultilize them properly.
To me it seemed at times like he was sabotaging us. Tel plays well scores 2 games running, dropped not seen again for several games. The way Tel was treated was poor imo. He did similar with Xavi. He was incredible coming on against Brighton, really made a huge impact, linking with Muani, Odobert and I can't recall (Udogie on the left?) Then Frank proceeds to do his best to make sure the 4 of them are hardly ever on the pitch at the same time again. Xavi getting played all over the place. The double pivot of hell. Even deployed at home to 'lowly' teams. Odobert had some brilliant cameos (utd for example) and then he is not played. So much stuff he kept changing for tinker reasons not always injuries I think.
It's really gutting we didn't sack him after Chelsea, NLD or Forest. So much time wasted getting worse and worse without hope of any points really. Tudor could have been up and running already and maybe we bought a lookman type instead of Gallagher in January.
I fully accept conditions terrible for Frank but it's similar for every manager we have really... I hated him and his cowardly way, it's jarring to see us play that way. Only very rarely like a CL match away to Barca for example I can stomach that. But not home PL matches to bottom half teams.
This is what I was thinking with my “I’ll remain optimistic until tonight” post.
For as shit as the results were yesterday, if we win tonight we’re actually in a better position than we were on Monday.
Tonight’s game is everything.
Because Kudus wanted to go.
Bowen is their captain. Not going to happen. Summerville is a raw talent. Mark my words, his is confidence. Decent but not great. I would prefer him over Kudus, but......
Kudus, we shouldn't have bought. Go back if you are bored. I didn't see this quality player. Same I said with Bissouma and Solanke. Good, but this club and the required quality.... and now we are here.
Ultimately confidence though, and injuries. Look at Villa. Fallen off a cliff. Rogers has dipped so so much.
There is no way in my opinion only that we don't have one or two who are the equal of Bowen and Summerville, but nobody is showing it, which for me is baffling beyond explanation. Maybe as some have said in the last few weeks/months,our players don't care enough.
It's why I would not start or possibly play Muani. Does he give a sh!t? I don't think so.
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