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Management Should Ange stay or go ?

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Should Ange stay or go ?

  • Fire him now

    Votes: 40 17.4%

  • Keep him for the whole season then review his position

    Votes: 110 47.8%

  • Keep him until we are out of contention for Europe and the cups

    Votes: 25 10.9%

  • Keep him unless we slip into the bottom 8

    Votes: 5 2.2%

  • Give him several seasons to get things right

    Votes: 20 8.7%

  • Give him until the end of December then review his position

    Votes: 30 13.0%
  • Total voters
    230
Stay , see it out til the end because if it’s not Postecoglou we’ll having the same boring threads in 18months time about someone else but with the same bell ends moaning.
 
kcspurs said:
Sports are played to win and for the enjoyment of it, no one disputes that. Nor does anyone think a League Cup would be a bad thing to win. For what it's worth and with this season looking like one where we're in for a mid-table finish, may as well.

But there are trophies and then there are trophies, there are major honors and there are minor ones.
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There are sub-categories for sure.

Given our sorry record a league cup shouldn't be sniffed at but an FA Cup or Europa League would be pretty damn great and make Ange our most successful manager in an awfully long time.
 
Eli said:
Stay , see it out til the end because if it’s not Postecoglou we’ll having the same boring threads in 18months time about someone else but with the same bell ends moaning.
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Pretty sure it would probably be a slightly different set of bell ends moaning.

It just never ends the cycle of sacking managers when the the fickle fanbase gets their boos on and Levy has to deflect attention away from himself. Conte, Mourinho, Pochettino... I'd include Nuno except he was always nothing more than a place holder until Levy could land Conte.

Unless the manager loses the dressing room he should get until the end of the year. That gives the rest of the management structure time to identify targets and continue squad building with that in mind.
 
Gatsby said:
I’m delusional for not wanting to sack another manager and hope the next one is any different?
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It’s not hope. Almost anyone we could hire would be more qualified than Ange is to manage a premier league club.

His experience prior to us was in backwater leagues. We are one of the ten richest clubs in the world. A premier league team.

Ange was a ridiculous hire in the first place and we are seeing the results of that ridiculous hire first hand. Not up to this level.
 
Deuterz said:
It’s not hope. Almost anyone we could hire would be more qualified than Ange is to manage a premier league club.

His experience prior to us was in backwater leagues. We are one of the ten richest clubs in the world. A premier league team.

Ange was a ridiculous hire in the first place and we are seeing the results of that ridiculous hire first hand. Not up to this level.
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I bet you’d take the now Brighton manager in a heartbeat though.


The experienced types of Jose, Conte and Nuno worked so well, let’s go back to them.
 
Gatsby said:
I bet you’d take the now Brighton manager in a heartbeat though.


The experienced types of Jose, Conte and Nuno worked so well, let’s go back to them.
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What the guy schooled in European football who managed in a top league? Probably not yet, would want to see him over a longer period.

Jose was finished when we got him, Conte worked miracles and then rightly got fucked off by how we operate and Nuno wasn’t qualified to manage us either.

There are a thousand more qualified options between Jose and Ange Postecoglu. Ange is actually ‘experienced’ - just at managing postmen.
 
Mick Cooper said:
NO

That's not the reason - so utterly wrong and foolish to say that.

Back in the day football was a level playing field, apart from the fact that the fields actually looked like they had been ploughed. The clubs were all owned locally (ie in the UK/England) and even further back - there was actually a pay cap, so players had little or no reason to jump ship as the salaries were all the same.

There was no foreign investment - because the massive earning potential didn't exist.

Now we have massive foreign capital investments, notably across 3 clubs (City, NUFC, Chavs) and into clubs like LFC, Manure, and the Goons, to a lesser, but not insubstantial degree. In the last 20 seasons those clubs (less NUFC) have won 61 pieces of silverware.

The whole financial infrastructure of the game has changed, the fitness of the players is immaterial (but acknowledge its improvement) and player salaries have transformed the top level of our football to the point that British players are now a minority.

The one thing that has stopped us becoming successful is simple - Joe Lewis

He wants ROI - and the football team is irrelevant to him, so long as the company maintains the footballing aspect in the upper echelons of the game - which it by and large does. Until he croaks - I doubt anything will change and the club will mark time.
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Joe Lewis has nothing to do with the club anymore. His stake was transferred to his family years ago. You are correct in that he never had any interest in the club - it was an investment; and too that effect he created a fantastic profitable club; that can generate money without the burden of winning trophies.

Dare I say, that every other club in world football will likely look at this model and will turn their clubs into entertainment venues rather than football clubs. No accident that the Saudi's brought Newcastle, with such a large stadium capacity.
 
Young teams aren't consistent and have rough spells where the defense breaks down. I think a lack of experience is the issue. When Spurs have been good they've been very good. This season might be the reverse of the last, not a great start but a strong finish.
 
Dudski said:
Young teams aren't consistent and have rough spells where the defense breaks down. I think a lack of experience is the issue. When Spurs have been good they've been very good. This season might be the reverse of the last, not a great start but a strong finish.
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We are not that young a side so that is a rather nonsensical argument.

All half decent teams can look.good at times.

Postecoglou has not overseen anything that looks like consistently good and the losses to Ipswich and Palace, at times when they would have had fragile confidence are beyond belief.

There are no excuses but sacking the bloke now is the answer or we wait, because we need a transfer window in which we see a couple of players, and any managerial uncertainty will make that less likely.

But I don't see success under Postecoglou and for me that would be a trophy or top 4, or undeniable progress. None likely or in evidence.
 
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harry7 said:
Joe Lewis has nothing to do with the club anymore. His stake was transferred to his family years ago. You are correct in that he never had any interest in the club - it was an investment; and too that effect he created a fantastic profitable club; that can generate money without the burden of winning trophies.

Dare I say, that every other club in world football will likely look at this model and will turn their clubs into entertainment venues rather than football clubs. No accident that the Saudi's brought Newcastle, with such a large stadium capacity.
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the Joe Lewis family trust owns 70% of ENIC

I think you will find that everything ENIC do is us under the firm hand and guidance of Lewis
 
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