If we finish mid-table with no cup goodness, Ange will be in what I call the Gerry Francis Zone in that he won't have been quite bad enough for the board to pull the trigger but bad enough to provoke significant antipathy from the fan base. This will lead to a summer of discontent where we will spend money on players to gloss over the problems but the poor form will continue into the new season and the board will sack Ange around November time.
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Management Should Ange stay or go ?
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He's nowhere near the calibre of Mourinho or Conte, even Nuno has more credibility as a fucking manager/coach.
He'd a yes man at arguably the biggest club he's been at (money and competition-wise before any delusional Celtic fans weigh in).
Mow he's getting narky in interviews and arguing with the fanbase with a degree of regularity for being called out on his utter mediocrity.
I'm sick of his beardy Aussie face and the football is not all that great to watch to excuse the shite results.
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Dunno, we're just all over the shop, some of the harder fixtures (on paper) we've performed well in, but then have looked useless against also-rans. It's all up in the air at the moment.
We also got absolutely schooled at Galatasary showing we don't have the ability to rest anyone. That game should have been 6+ we were so owned. It wouldn't have been unfair if they did that.
But why wait until there's nothing left to play for? Conte came in and took us from mid table to top 4 with a run of form that was title contender worthy. With a weaker squad. Why wait until all is lost before making the change?
There are Angebois in here that will still claim he needs more time, that he is the real deal, that Fergie got 3 years in 1987 and turned it around, etc etc.
They're wrong of course, but they will die on that hill.
While I agree il take it too. This club belongs in Europe at a minimum if we was to get knocked out in the semi final and be 14th in the league his position would be untenable as we won't be in Europe following season.
But if we got knocked out in a semi final and top-6 your still competing relatively, think it would keep his job.
We currently averaging around 1.4 PPG( mid table) I think you need around 1.7 to get in to Europe
You'll love the new one!
Because you are wrongly assuming the new manager will be better.
When Mourinho came in for Poch, he got Poch's side knocked out of the Champions League. Poch deserved a right to stay until he was knocked out of the Champions League himself. When Mason came in for Mourinho, he lost Mourinho's side the League Cup. Mourinho deserved the chance to lose that himself too because you never know he may have won or lost. When the backroom staff came in for Conte, they lost Conte's Champions League place. Conte had a right until the end of the season to do better himself again.
These are three easy examples that don't fit what Ramos, Redknapp, or Conte did when they took over in terms of definitely improving in one competition at least. Perhaps you can argue that the earlier the change is the better, but my argument is always that it has a 50% chance of working and it costs more and you never know. The chairman backs the manager for a full season at the start of the season but never sacks himself or his players mid-season, which is hypocritical. If he held on to his managers through poor league form he would get an honest assessment of himself instead of selling the best players and going for a new manager quick fix every time.
It's like saying why not cheat on your wife. Well, why not stick to your word as a businessman.
Was it you who engraved Hugo's watch?
We're just prolonging the inevitable at this stage.
Ange won't win any cups. He won't get top 4. He's facing an uphill struggle just for any form of Europe next season.
Why settle for that?
Because it is not true until it happens and we don't have the balls to hire Diego Simeone, Julian Nagelsmann, Zinedine Zidane, or even Ledley King.
Even with our inconsistency, we're three points off third and still in every competition. That doesn't automatically change for the better if Potter takes charge in my opinion.
I'll take Hugo's watch off him if he doesn't want it to be fair, or work as an engraver. We can't all be drunk sports car driving World Cup winning Frenchmen. Seriously though, if Mourinho loses the League Cup final, and then Levy sacks him, suddenly Levy looks like a hero instead of a villain. If Mourinho wins the League Cup final, Levy still looks like a hero instead of a villain. I don't know how you get that decision wrong, or write finalist on a watch before a final. I guess it is better than writing winner and not winning, but I mean that is why I buy blank t-shirts. In case I disagree with the meme slogan on the day I wear it.
Is that give him several more seasons to get things right? So another 3 after this one?
Or one more season so he’s had 3 full seasons??
I want to know what fruit loops voted for this option anyway.
So what's the thinking there??? The man wins trophies in his second season. He leaves the club in his third one.
Or one more season so he’s had 3 full seasons??
I want to know what fruit loops voted for this option anyway.
So what's the thinking there??? The man wins trophies in his second season. He leaves the club in his third one.
Depending on the next 3 games, we could be well out of the race for 5th place even. If Ange is on track to finish worse than 5th, Levy really needs to think what is the point of keeping this guy around any longer.
We've got plenty of young talent- need a manager that is actually gonna develop players and utilize a pragmatic plan to overachieve on our points per game.
Really- you know the future? There really will be no upside in sacking him if he loses the next 6 straight games?
Cmon man- that's just not a reasonable statement- you're completely discounting how shitty it could be until the end of the season.
I think the club will stick it out until season ends.
Probably lose another 7/8 games i to the bargain, but i can't see who will come in now.
Some of the defending and bad performances are some of the worst I have ever seen.
He isn’t the man to lead the club to greatness, although can anyone?
Will be interesting to see if the club buys anyone in January, especially the team being as inconsistent and shit as it is.
Probably lose another 7/8 games i to the bargain, but i can't see who will come in now.
Some of the defending and bad performances are some of the worst I have ever seen.
He isn’t the man to lead the club to greatness, although can anyone?
Will be interesting to see if the club buys anyone in January, especially the team being as inconsistent and shit as it is.
When Jose and Conte came in, they came in quickly. It was obvious they were lined up and ready to go.
I don't think there are any managers of Contes calibre available to walk in and improve us immediately.
If Ange goes now it's Masons Mates for another three quarters of a season.
If that's the choice I'd give Ange the chance to win the Europa or League cup.
Fuck me with the 3 points from 3rd spiel, we've 1 away win against United when they were down to 10 men in the first half with their manager on his last legs and 1 decent home result against Villa, who are the only team we've beaten who are ahead of us.
Look at the fucking teams we've played and the teams we've yet to play in the league...and we've still Roma, Rangers and a quarter final to likely bottle.
Look at the fucking teams we've played and the teams we've yet to play in the league...and we've still Roma, Rangers and a quarter final to likely bottle.
Very hard to see how things are going to turn out well with Ange , folk are pointing out the league is tight and some seem to believe we can go all out for a cup and win it ,if only it was that easy.Chances are he will be gone at the end of the season ,can't really make up my mind if it will be sooner or not .We are losing so many matches and I expect that to continue for the season .