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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?
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Gotta have the deal agreed before Ange is sacked
This jumping on Levy and assuming that no self respecting manager would work with him under any circumstances is fun, but it's not really accurate. Not because Levy is a pleasure to work with, but because chairmen of those other supposedly well-run clubs are not much different or better than him.
Those guys also sell their top players, they also don't properly invest in to their squads, they are also looking for cheap options whenever they feel like they can get away with it, they are also not infinitely patient with their managers. Whatever you think is wrong with Levy, they are not less guilty of it.
Guys like Potter, Frank,Iraola, Silva, and in fact the majority of managers in general would be crazy to refuse to work here unconditionally. Some may be reluctant to jump ship mid-season, some may ask for more assurances regarding transfers, others may ask for higher wages. But these concerns about not being able to find a quality manager just because they'd never touch Levy with a ten foot pole are exaggerated.
Those guys also sell their top players, they also don't properly invest in to their squads, they are also looking for cheap options whenever they feel like they can get away with it, they are also not infinitely patient with their managers. Whatever you think is wrong with Levy, they are not less guilty of it.
Guys like Potter, Frank,Iraola, Silva, and in fact the majority of managers in general would be crazy to refuse to work here unconditionally. Some may be reluctant to jump ship mid-season, some may ask for more assurances regarding transfers, others may ask for higher wages. But these concerns about not being able to find a quality manager just because they'd never touch Levy with a ten foot pole are exaggerated.
Simple due diligence would need to be carried out in the meantime to ensure that he is open to coming. Obviously there is always the danger of a bigger club coming in for him but I think Tottenham could be the biggest club in England looking for a new manager by the Summer so probably should have first dibs.
Iraolo himself will know that he is limited in what he can achieve at Bournemouth. Getting them into Europe would be the pinnacle but as we've seen with the likes of Brighton and West Ham in recent years, it usually has a negative effect on league form the following year and the manager quickly becomes under pressure despite all the good work done. So he'd be crazy not to leave them in the Summer if the opportunity arises and I'm not convinced he'll get any better offer than Spurs.
True , how could Levy publicly humiliate him with zero class at half time otherwise
Plenty of managers have turned us down , plenty will again with Levy at the helm.
I know but I'm just saying the likelihood of us getting Iraolo in the summer is pretty high. He knows he is limited at Bournemouth and probably won't get a better offer than us
Hope one day he gets the Woolwich or chelsea job.
Several managers have turned us down in the last few years, some more than once if rumours are to be believed.
With all due respect these are usually managers who have managed bigger clubs than Spurs. The likes of Naglesmann and Enrique. The two big name managers who we convinced to come here were Conte and Mourinho and both were not suited to the club because the club had no intention of meeting their demands to win now and neither of them managers had any interest in helping Tottenham grow as a club. They both hated Tottenham in the end and still do, Mourinho can't help a dig at us whenever he gets the chance. They looked down on Tottenham the whole time they were here and to some extent I don't blame them given their own successful careers at bigger clubs.
These big name managers should turn us down instead of coming and being left disappointed. The managers we want are the ones who have never had a job as big as Spurs before. The likes of Iraolo, Frank and Silva as you mentioned. No chance any of them turn us down. They are limited at their own clubs and are waiting for a bigger club to pick them up.
As I said in the initial post, I was talking about an unconditional refusal to come here because Levy repulses them that bad or something. Half hearted efforts, and/or aiming out of our league can obviously lead to rejections. But almost no club is immune to it. Weren't Bayern running out of options before they made an underwhelming appointment in Kompany? Didn't Barcelona have second thoughts about keeping Xavi because they weren't attracting some of the biggest names? Examples surely abound.
But this aforementioned league of ours constitutes like 90-95% of all managers, which is more than enough to feel optimistic about our options. We aren't irresistible, I'm fully aware of that.
They weren't the names I had in mind, well, not all of them.
Rumours are that Slot, Rogers, and Benitez have all said no, in addition to Enrique and Nagelsmann.
I do agree though that Iraola, Frank, and Silva would all be gettable - and imv all would be a step up on Ange. I do feel that if Bournemouth continue their trajectory Iraola will have a number of clubs in for his signature though.
He also knows we are likely to damage his CV , 15 managers how many have gone on to better things after having dealings with Levy
Not sure when these Benitez talks happened so can't comment on that one.
Rogers is true. He was going well at Leicester at the time so he made the decision to stay with them after getting them into Europe and just like my West Ham and Brighton examples above, both suffered badly in the league the next year and the manager always pays the price. He got sacked! I think Iraolo, Frank and Silva would all look at that Rogers decision as a mistake they won't make. You can go from hero to villain very quickly at them type of clubs who aren't equipped for European football.
From what I heard, Slot was very willing to come to us but was tied into a contract with Feyenoord and they were demanding big enough money (think it was 15m or more). Levy refused to pay it and then he signed a new deal with them which would allow him to leave for free/cheap the next Summer. I'm open to correction but I'm pretty sure that is how it went down.
I believe Rogers himself said he chose Liverpool over us so that I think is true. Slot on the other hand we wouldn’t pay the £15m release for him and his coaches so went to Ange instead.
I think Rogers was offered the gig in the Summer of 2021 too when we ended up getting Nuno. Leicester were fresh off winning the FA cup and had qualified for Europe at the time so I can understand why he didn't want to join.
I mean, if Benitez and Rodgers actually rejected us to join Celta Vigo and stay with Leicester respectively, then that's on them. It tells nothing about Levy or the desirability of this club.
The fact remains that, for the majority of managers in the world right now, managing this club is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We may not be spending enough compared to a handful of teams we are supposed to be competing with in the standings, but we still spend a fortune compared to most teams in the world. And, here's the key, by far the biggest determinator of a club's ceiling is how much they can/do spend. This alone makes this job extremely attractive, no matter how poorly run you think this club is.
Not that I wholly agree with the premise that those mid-table clubs are indeed superbly run either. More often than not it's a case of people looking at the standings, noticing an overachieving club, and jumping to conclusion that they must be exceptional in the ways they operate.
The fact remains that, for the majority of managers in the world right now, managing this club is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We may not be spending enough compared to a handful of teams we are supposed to be competing with in the standings, but we still spend a fortune compared to most teams in the world. And, here's the key, by far the biggest determinator of a club's ceiling is how much they can/do spend. This alone makes this job extremely attractive, no matter how poorly run you think this club is.
Not that I wholly agree with the premise that those mid-table clubs are indeed superbly run either. More often than not it's a case of people looking at the standings, noticing an overachieving club, and jumping to conclusion that they must be exceptional in the ways they operate.
