Ridiculous! I'm usually quite positive but this just feels like a total set back to me. Going around in circles. Back to a cheap pragmatic manager. Feels like the last 4 years was just a full circle and now we are gone back to the next Nuno!
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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?
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You could be right bro. I'm only going off media reports and the number's I've read varies from 8m-20m. Brentford definitely entitled to something anyway. I'm guessing Spurs have everything agreed with Frank and didn't relaise they'd have to pay Brentford so much compensation. Now they are having second thoughts.
The were heavily into Bergvall as well.
Saw this comment on the BBC from an Anonymous Utd fan:
Disagree , heres why...
- Toney Suspension : Brentford lost their best goal threat for 8 months and they couldnt replace him.
- Brentford with a small squad had 21 injuries, with 11 of them requiring surgeries. Of the injured, 3 were serious knee injuries, 2 foot, 3 had bad ankle injuries , 1 hamstring, 1 abductor and 1 other... meaning not many muscle but other serious injuries
And what more, Thomas Frank started using Mbuemo & Wissa upfront this season and started playing totally different way. He showed he can play through the lines instead of going direct to target man.
Spurs on other hand , for the 2 seasons of Ange
2023/24 : No Europe. 1430 man days lost to injuries. 22 individual injuries (most by any club).
2024/25 : 1300 man days lost to injuries.
Most injuries muscle...but then squad is one of the youngest in PL. How can one of the youngest squad also be one of the most unfit and injured. May be answer in Ange's past.
Here's Ange on Celtic injuries (quote from dec2021) : "No, it’s not possible. It’s a by-product of the team we want to be and it’s part of the process. I’ve been through it a number of times with teams I’ve taken over and the initial process is always difficult."
So on one hand you have Ange, who has repeated failures of sustaining consistency across multiple competition due to injuries that were made by his tactics.... Vs Another manager, who also had to go through injury crisis and player ban but not of his making...but the end product there was, he learned he cant rely on a set player or system and made the Brentford team better after the crisis
Also that post references of 'oh Frank could be another Potter'...but why not Frank could be another Howe or Kompany or Maresca or Arteta or Poch ?
You want to accept injuries and suspensions as an excuse or not?
Because Ange has plenty of those in both seasons, especially the one where he finished 5th
The truth is Maddison is one of our most important players and pulled the strings in the midfield. He’s one of the few players we have that has class and technical ability.
We were a much better side with him in team.
If Paratici had it his way then Luis Enrique could have been the Spurs head-coach...
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He would be Paratici's pick...
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He's definitely better than Poch
I agree but Frank is a pragmatic manager who will find it hard to have a role for Maddison.
His preferred formation has always been 3-4-3 and Maddison won't suit that.
The thing I like about Frank is he isn't a system manager. He is adaptable and flexible depending on the opposition. He isn't wedded to a particular formation. Plus, when he lost Toney, he found a different way to play that was more possession-based and less direct. This adapability is important considering our chairman always leaves his manager short on quality.
He is more pragmatic than Ange, sure, but I don't see that as a negative.
i think Brentford rank in the top 10 for most long balls per game, and least possession this season
Frank resurrected Christian Eriksens career post heart attack. Hardly a powerhouse athlete in midfield by that time. If Frank can accomodate Eriksen and make him an intergral part of a side. I definitely think he can do it with Maddison.
Its a excuse , if those injuries are not made by him in first place
Its not a excuse, if he is the source of the problem.
I quoted you direct Ange quote on the same issue, where he agrees that injuries are part of way he plays. There is anecdotal evidence as well, interms of number of sprints we do under Ange (no 1 in league, and by a distance).
Now, you can disagree to Ange and dont want to come down. Its up to you or its up to people who look at the evidence and make their own assessment.
Thomas Frank deserves more credit for making Bryan Mbeumo and Yoanne Wissa Brentford’s post-Toney solution
Mbeumo and Wissa have a total of 34 combined goals this term (18 for Mbeumo, 16 for Wissa) for Brentford
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How do you know Frank didn’t cause his injuries?
I think its more than that. Just by including Eriksen, he also revitalised the entire Bretford attack. With the added class, other players around him, started to perform better.
Listened to TEI on the way to work.
Even in the championship Frank was very basic in his approach to possession and playing through set defenders in mid/low blocks.
Brentfords entire data and recruitment model is built around playing against teams that dominate the ball.
Assuming you can just plug Frank into Spurs where he will have the ball 80% of games is exactly the kind of reactionary mindless flip flop this club has done in the Levy era.
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Err.... I stated the nature of injuries...
May be some more details...
Mbuemo , Pinnock, Janelt- ankle injuries
Rico Henry - ACL
Igor Thiago, - menniscus
Da Silva - knee
Schade, Jensen- adductor
Hickey - torn hamstring
One may be two had muscles injuries...
Otherwise, rest of them, did not suffer the kind of injuries Ange team suffers....
Unless you have proof that , Frank took a hammer and took out the knees of Henry, Thiago , Da Silva and he made scissor tackles on Mbuemo , Pinnock, Janelt.... he did not cause these injuries
Thomas Frank deserves more credit for making Bryan Mbeumo and Yoanne Wissa Brentford’s post-Toney solution
Mbeumo and Wissa have a total of 34 combined goals this term (18 for Mbeumo, 16 for Wissa) for Brentford
can't read it- paywall
regardless doesnt discount what i said, Brentford 15th this season for possession
(Premier League: Most Possession)
Brentford 4th for long balls this season
(Premier League Club Stats - Long Balls)