Really surprised Bowden without a club, thought he might be the most likely to get a club albeit at say L1/L2 level
Heaps did trial at Reading for a couple of games, not seen him play there since.
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Really surprised Bowden without a club, thought he might be the most likely to get a club albeit at say L1/L2 level
Heaps did trial at Reading for a couple of games, not seen him play there since.
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. A few links for Will Lankshear to go on loan : can we review his position as a Club trained player :45.04 UEFA Documents
A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if his birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following his 21st birthday may be counted if his birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.
Will joined Spurs 31 August 2022, about 2 weeks after first match of season 22/23
Will will turn 21 on 20/4/26.
i) Under the 3 season rule, 22/23 does not count as its a part season only, so would need to be 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 ...... but he turns 21 in 25/26 which is fine, but it means he cannot go on loan and become CT
Unless uefa are less stringent on 22/23
ii) Under the 36 month rule, given Will came to Spurs on 31/8/22 that runs to 31/8/25 just over 7 months before he turns 21 so there is space for a 6 month loan but not a year long loan.
Do you agree ?
If so its unlikely Will becomes CT as he's bound to need a loan.
So our short term chances of getting 2 or 3 CT players rest with Parrott, Scarlett, Santiago, Devine, Donley and maybe Abbott ... and longer term Moore, Hall et al.
I think he can become CT because I think he'll still be registered with us while he's on loan. You can see on the premier league list from after the January window that players loaned out like Phillips were still registed in the premier league as u21s.
45.04 UEFA Documents
A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if his birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following his 21st birthday may be counted if his birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.
Will joined Spurs 31 August 2022, about 2 weeks after first match of season 22/23
Will will turn 21 on 20/4/26.
i) Under the 3 season rule, 22/23 does not count as its a part season only, so would need to be 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 ...... but he turns 21 in 25/26 which is fine, but it means he cannot go on loan and become CT
Unless uefa are less stringent on 22/23
ii) Under the 36 month rule, given Will came to Spurs on 31/8/22 that runs to 31/8/25 just over 7 months before he turns 21 so there is space for a 6 month loan but not a year long loan.
Do you agree ?
If so its unlikely Will becomes CT as he's bound to need a loan.
So our short term chances of getting 2 or 3 CT players rest with Parrott, Scarlett, Santiago, Devine, Donley and maybe Abbott ... and longer term Moore, Hall et al.
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Had a bit of a look and I believe the registered at 1 club thing comes from the FA handbook but there's a big 'or' there which I think allows you to keep them registered while they're on loan because they'll only have a playing contract with 1 club (which is why Phillips couldn't come back and play our 1st team games).
I think for List B he'll qualify on 31st August 2024 which is just after the window but before the Europa squad registration so he can be on List B if he's not loaned out, or can go on loan and be on List B next season.
I think he can become CT because I think he'll still be registered with us while he's on loan. You can see on the premier league list from after the January window that players loaned out like Phillips were still registed in the premier league as u21s.
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After the January 2024 transfer window closed, see the players registered by clubs for the rest of the 2023/24 season
Had a bit of a look and I believe the registered at 1 club thing comes from the FA handbook but there's a big 'or' there which I think allows you to keep them registered while they're on loan because they'll only have a playing contract with 1 club (which is why Phillips couldn't come back and play our 1st team games).
I think for List B he'll qualify on 31st August 2024 which is just after the window but before the Europa squad registration so he can be on List B if he's not loaned out, or can go on loan and be on List B next season.
Thanks for that. Better than I'd hoped.
Do you happen to know if loans to overseas clubs are treated the same way, I guess it comes back to whether Spurs can keep them registered as an u21 ? I seem to recall Ryan Mason falling foul of the rules when he went on loan to a French club but never played - but rules might also have changed as well.
Mundle came back after signed by Sunderland.
Thought Mathurin is at Palace.
Not 100% sure but Parrott is on the u21 list there even though he was loaned so presumably can.
Yeah cheers, just copied an old list and added on a few new ones so there's a couple that I updated before that need fixing
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Likely to finish in bottom quarter of top league in Belgium, so he'll need to show his defensive skills !
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Chadli will be he's new team mate
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Caulker back as an academy coach or similar ?!
Didn't he have a speciality of basically just poaching youth players from other academies?
Something we've been doing more and more in recent years? Looks to have been planned well.
Ange Postecoglou on the European Championships so far:
"Football is changing all the time, I just love the fearlessness of throwing young players in, and they’ve already made an impact, I mean sometimes as managers we try to wrap young players in cotton wool, but 21 year olds even 16 year olds making an impact straight away, I’ve found it so exciting."
Maybe didn't get to see it quite as much as we would have liked while he was still settling in his first season but pretty encouraging words. I'm sure any academy players staying around next season will be motivated by this.
"Football is changing all the time, I just love the fearlessness of throwing young players in, and they’ve already made an impact, I mean sometimes as managers we try to wrap young players in cotton wool, but 21 year olds even 16 year olds making an impact straight away, I’ve found it so exciting."
Maybe didn't get to see it quite as much as we would have liked while he was still settling in his first season but pretty encouraging words. I'm sure any academy players staying around next season will be motivated by this.
He didn’t do much throwing in of young players last season. 5 minutes here and there was the total size of it.
Yeah, as I said, would have liked to see a bit more but probably takes a bit of time to work out what you can get away with at this level, especially when you take over a transitioning side and are trying to implement a new philosophy. Hopefully he gets a chance to see some of them a bit more in preseason.
He started Udogie, van de Ven and Sarr for the majority of last season..
Sarr and Udogie were 20 at the time. VDV was 22 and had barely had a weeks training. That's trusting young players who are good enough.
Key word good there.
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The way pre-season is scheduled I suspect Ange will have an opportunity to look at a number of Spurs youngsters mainly in the Hearts and QPR games before probably cutting the number of youngsters down to those who might be part of first team squad next season (maximum 2 or 3 I think), or maybe including some who will play u21's but may get minutes with first team (eg Moore, Hall).
Quite a number of youngsters who may hope to catch Ange eye - in no order :
Parrott (22) Striker/LW - Most experienced of youngsters, possibly best last season too.
Devine (20 in August) 6/8/10 - one season playing L1 and Championship
Phillips (19 this month) CB - most of one season playing Championship. Needs registration in europe
Scarlett (20) Striker - Mainly L1 experience plus 4 off bench under Ange
Craig (DM) - Surprisingly good L2 loan, Championship clubs interested. No youth watcher expected Redknapp to play Jake Livermore (DM) before he did ......
Donley (8/10) - Frequently on bench last season, 4 short appearances
Santiago (LW) - About 6 bench appearances last season but no minutes
Keeley (GK) - Season on loan at Barnet, more likely to be on loan ? Needs registration in europe
After that there's a lot of good youngsters without any loan experience including Abbott (19), DM/RB, Lankshear (19) striker PL2 top scorer and POTY, Soonsup-Bell (20) RW/striker, Gunter (19) GK more likely a loan, Dorrington ( 19 ) CB and then the younger ones most likely to play u21's with some first team training and appearances such as Moore, Hall, Black
And that's not including Veliz and Bergvall.
George Feeney born in Newport!
And now plays for Wales instead of Northern Ireland !
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Marsh also reports for SLP and is a Millwall fan.
No CT issues about JSB as he can only ever be an association player for UEFA games as he has not been here long enough.