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Summer 2013 Transfer Window DISCUSSION Thread
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It's akin to me saying "Fuck it, lets sign Jonjo Shelvey, he's English!"
Exactly.
Signing Dempsey seems to have attracted a fair few new fans from America, and I get that. Loads of people reference Hoddle or Villa etc when they reminisce about becoming a Spurs fan. So I don't have any problem with someone who started following Spurs a year ago because of Dempsey.
But the yoghurt fest over any other player just because he happens to be American, seriously, just tattoo your national flag on your forehead and get back to thinking rationally about football.
Anyone up for a sportsman's bet that we'll sign someone next week?
For fuck's sake, enough of Jozy already. I'm American and really do want Jozy to succeed but we're fucking Tottenham Hotspur. We're linked with the likes of David Villa, Higuain, Jackson Martinez, Damiao, Soldado, Negredo, Benteke, Aubameyang, Lukaku, Yilmaz and etc. Would any of us be truly happy if he was our lone striker up top to start the season? If you are -- that's absolute madness.
If he were to join someone like Aston Villa or Crystal Palace and promptly scored 25 goals then that's a different story. I'll be first in line in bringing Jozy for the 2014-15 season.
If he were to join someone like Aston Villa or Crystal Palace and promptly scored 25 goals then that's a different story. I'll be first in line in bringing Jozy for the 2014-15 season.
Well agent ITK said this Monday, so we'll see. I don't know if I want him to be right :avbshock:
I must have missed the posts where Americans run through the entire list of still active players with caps for the US, making a case for why each should find a home at Spurs.
So people like Altidore and think he could be useful at Spurs. I don't see the big crime. Lets not forget that no-names like Ibra and Suárez also lit up the Eredivisie, and they didn't exactly become flops when they left Holland. Frankly, I have no idea what Altidore could do for Spurs, as I've not seen him play in three years.
But I have seen Aubameyang play (on TV), and I think that he also plays in a less-than league for a club with minimal European ambition that frittered away a chance at the CL this season. And yet he gets love here. And I'd like Aubameyang at Spurs for one simple reason: he's on Saint-Étienne. I'm glad to see that a player who played for les Verts is good enough to get attention from bigger clubs. And if he weren't, I'd be wondering why not (I was the same way about Matuidi and Payet until they moved).
Similarly, I get excited whenever a Brazilian who is not from one of the lesser Rio clubs gets linked to Spurs (so I've been over the moon this transfer window), and if I watched basically any Brazilian football, I'd probably have a short list of players whom I wish I could see at Spurs. But that doesn't mean I think Levy should buy the whole Flamengo roster.
Wouldn't any of us want our children to play for Spurs? Might we not get a little carried away with the thought? Conversely, would we not consider that dream a non-starter if our child showed absolutely no athletic aptitude?
No one here who wants Altidore wants him simply because he's American (and the other thread, IMO, is further evidence of this--not a counterexample). If that were the case, we'd have a "SIGN TAB RAMOS!!1!" thread. So I don't see Tucker's comparison to Shelvey as at all apt.
Rather, people get excited about the prospect of two worlds they love (their nation, their club) colliding. No different from being excited that a lad from around the way like Livermore gets a chance at Spurs. Add in the fact that some of us (me, for example) have been having some fun regarding this as well as the fact that we have a couple newbies who aren't yet jaded, and there you go.
That said, it will be a huge mistake if we don't break the bank for Freddy Adu.
So people like Altidore and think he could be useful at Spurs. I don't see the big crime. Lets not forget that no-names like Ibra and Suárez also lit up the Eredivisie, and they didn't exactly become flops when they left Holland. Frankly, I have no idea what Altidore could do for Spurs, as I've not seen him play in three years.
But I have seen Aubameyang play (on TV), and I think that he also plays in a less-than league for a club with minimal European ambition that frittered away a chance at the CL this season. And yet he gets love here. And I'd like Aubameyang at Spurs for one simple reason: he's on Saint-Étienne. I'm glad to see that a player who played for les Verts is good enough to get attention from bigger clubs. And if he weren't, I'd be wondering why not (I was the same way about Matuidi and Payet until they moved).
Similarly, I get excited whenever a Brazilian who is not from one of the lesser Rio clubs gets linked to Spurs (so I've been over the moon this transfer window), and if I watched basically any Brazilian football, I'd probably have a short list of players whom I wish I could see at Spurs. But that doesn't mean I think Levy should buy the whole Flamengo roster.
Wouldn't any of us want our children to play for Spurs? Might we not get a little carried away with the thought? Conversely, would we not consider that dream a non-starter if our child showed absolutely no athletic aptitude?
No one here who wants Altidore wants him simply because he's American (and the other thread, IMO, is further evidence of this--not a counterexample). If that were the case, we'd have a "SIGN TAB RAMOS!!1!" thread. So I don't see Tucker's comparison to Shelvey as at all apt.
Rather, people get excited about the prospect of two worlds they love (their nation, their club) colliding. No different from being excited that a lad from around the way like Livermore gets a chance at Spurs. Add in the fact that some of us (me, for example) have been having some fun regarding this as well as the fact that we have a couple newbies who aren't yet jaded, and there you go.
That said, it will be a huge mistake if we don't break the bank for Freddy Adu.
Where exactly did anyone say it's a 'crime' - could you possibly link that post? In your own time . . .
It was a single poster who pedalled the idea constantly - then a few others took it as a 'funny' topic and started trolling it around in different threads, etc. - to the point of becoming rather boring and tiresome since the 'joke' wore off about 7 weeks ago.
He didn't (probably...I don't know personally) but considering the Confederations cup finishes on Sunday, he's clearly just assuming we will!
'Agent ITK' should be filtered much like Woolwich
Crickey fuck - what a slimy maggot!
Altidore supporters (and I think some are serious) are guilty of the crime of liking him solely because he is American. SLR thinks the sentence should be a branding of the US flag on the guilty parties' foreheads. I haven't seen a single post (and see my response in the yankee thread) saying "SIGN JOZY SINCE HE CAN VOTE FOR OBAMA." If you'd like to show me one… in your own time…
I think there are posters here who are sincere in thinking that Altidore might be able to play a role at Spurs. And so they argue his case. Part of (some of?) their motivation is that he's American. But it's not all of it, else Tab Ramos threads.
For some reason, the fact that his Americanness can play any role in the case for strikes some (like you, maybe?) as distasteful, and so that part takes over the whole discourse. We've heard the arguments: the Eredivisie is pants and you only like him since he's American. Well if scoring is so terribly easy in the Eredivisie, why did we sign a defender from that soft league last year? Why did two former Eredivisie players top the PL scorers' table despite finally facing real defenses?
But even the sincere pro-Jozy camp doesn't consider him a make-or-break signing for our ambitions next year, at least not that I've seen/recall. They consider him a potential role player (most likely) or cheap option with upside. That he'd be cheap is undebatable. What his upside is, none of us knows, one way or the other. That he'd be able to run menacingly at tired CBs at the end of the match is guaranteed.
As for touting him's not being funny, well, I make no apologies.
I think you might have completely missed the beginning of this movie - Altidore has become the latest 'humouristic' topic following a few weeks of nothingness in the transfer market and the constant obsession with the player of one poster in specific.
Yes - there probably are 2-3 posters who genuinely believe he can be a realistic target.
No - I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest to those 2-3 posters that would be a very poor piece of business for an average at best player who scored 1 goal in 30 games last time around in the PL. Discussion, etc.
Yes - there are posters who's only real desire for the player is born from the fact they share the same country of birth.
No - I don't think the 'Yankee' thread is a serious topic - merely a trolling extension of a long running TFC 'joke' related to that very player and the subsequent 'generalisations' based on nationality, etc.
Yes - I do find it bizarre how quickly this has descended into a nationalistic / patriotic mud-slinging match
The 'joke' has run its course, imv - it is no longer funny - rather cringeworhy and tiresome.
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The thing about Jozy is that we haven't been linked to him. It's one thing to throw out Gary Hooper because we looked close to going to him in January, but it's another to throw out Altidore because of the lack of links. The reason he is thrown out there is because he is American, there's no other explanation. Nobody here has thrown the name Graziano Pelle out there and he had a very similar goal scoring record to Jozy. You know why that is? It's because he's not American.
Mate, the Altidore thing grew from a harmless joke into some kind of trolling 'meme' and now appears to be receiving semi-serious debate and almost splitting camps which in itself is hilarious. As you say - we were never linked with him and I sincerely doubt this is the ilk of player a CL-challenging club and AVB's 4-3-3 would be looking to bring.
Do you guys think that Hooper is not up for the task, seeing Hooper turn out for Celtic and doing the business in Europe makes me think he could be a class act in the EPL, he is still young and could probably be a good addition
Altidore has made vast improvements. It's fair to think he's not ready for a team like the Spurs but the guy isn't a slouch anymore. With an improved first touch he can setup his body to protect the ball and he has good moves with his back to the defender. Maybe in the future Spurs will consider him.
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