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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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Park Lane Mark Twain said:
You have completely avoided my question mate. My question to you is that if Pochettino wants Lo Celso & Ndombele and sees them as key signings why should Levy not question why they weren't wanted at the price of £32m combined and not at the rumoured combined fee of £140m?

If you're saying the club should trust Pochettino's judgement then equally the club should be allowed to ask where that player judgement was a year or two ago when both of these players we're not seen as worth pursuing. The club has every right to ask that question be it to Pochettino, the scouting department etc. Levy is being asked to spend over £100m that didn't need to be spent should these players have been highlighted earlier. That's completely justified even if he does choose to back the manager and bring both in.
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Do you know that we weren’t in for them last summer? Maybe we enquired and we’re told to piss off. Maybe we got quoted a price we agreed but the players decided against it.

And this argument you make happens all the time. How much would we have asked for Kane when he was spitting on himself after missing a penalty compared to after his first big season a year later? Dele wasn’t only worth £5m after his first year.

Player prices go up when they do well. Isn’t this obvious?
 
hrytn said:
What are you talking about? a) Good PL players have a premium and that is that. If you don't know the game don't play it.

Levy and the club should trust Poch to identify the players just like b) Mancity, Liverpool, Madrid, Barca, Juve....etc trust their managers. c)) Money buys success in the EPL is a proven fact. Leicester was an exception and won't happen again for another century.

d) You are either naive or you are naive. Man city , chelsea and manu (excludin Leicester) are the only winners of EPL title in the last 15 years. Question for : Why?
One last question for you: How come man city won the PL title 4 times in the last 7 seasons??
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a) Neither ND nor GLC have kicked a ball in the EPL.

b) RM buy a lot of players despite their manager, Liverpool have a committee (Klopp hasn't absolute autonomy).. In fact most big European clubs have a DOF or similar figure driving recruitment.

c) If it's purely a case of money-ball (I don't dissagree), why break the bank ignorantly trying t outspend richer teams only to still finish 3rd or 4th?

d) Naive, you say? :kanehand:

hrytn said:
Your arguments are based on tweets, rumours and media rubbish while my arguments are based on historical facts and nothing else.

Questions for you?
1. How do you know Poch wants to buy Lo Celso and Ndombele?
2. How do you know whether Poch believes a player is worth a certain value? Is that his job!
3. Do you really know how spending, targets and purchases are conducted within the THFC hierarchy?
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Apparently you don't know what "IF" means, fella....
 
ginola92 said:
Son is our joint 4th biggest signing, 27 million, same as Lamela , was signed by Levurkuson for under a 1/3 of that a couple years before, isn't that your argument in the Ndombele transfer? why didn't we sign Son from Hamburg for 7 or 8 million ?
Our scouting can be improved, but it's harsh to simply say we should find all the top players before anyone else knows about them, if it was that simple every club would do it.
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Well if memory serves me right Son was already at Leverkusen before Pochettino was manager of Spurs so a lower deal would have been impossible to have been had.

I'm also not saying it's possible to find all of the top players before anyone else knows about them, I'm merely saying that Levy would be, should he choose to of course be well within his rights to ask why he's apparently being asked to fork out c£140m on acquisitions that could have been purchased for £32m barely a year ago. At boardroom level for such a financially well managed club the manager should be prepared to answer such questions, especially when there's a £110m hit to our books because of such decisions that were made and are being made now.

That's not to ridicule Pochettino of course, that's just to ensure that we grow our club and it's weaker areas. If that means we need to approach scouts working for Celta Vigo, PSG or Amiens in France etc then so be it. Continued, incremental improvements to reach the end goal.
 
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Tomo said:
You don’t, but football in the PL is corrupt, how else would you get a gangster at Chelsea and a slave state at City owning clubs and deemed fit and proper.

You only have to look at Pep’s angry reaction when questioned about the owners to see the bullshit. City, Pep, Chelsea, Abramovich, the whole thing is a fraud and somehow we have to find a way to compete with that.
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Man City are puppets of a medieval regime. You can still get sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dabhi.
But who cares,,,our clubs will take anyone’s money.
 
Tomo said:
You don’t, but football in the PL is corrupt, how else would you get a gangster at Chelsea and a slave state at City owning clubs and deemed fit and proper.

You only have to look at Pep’s angry reaction when questioned about the owners to see the bullshit. City, Pep, Chelsea, Abramovich, the whole thing is a fraud and somehow we have to find a way to compete with that.
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Let's hope chelea's transfer ban appeal fails, also city banned form CL for 1 season
 
hrytn said:
Your arguments are based on tweets, rumours and media rubbish while my arguments are based on historical facts and nothing else.

Questions for you?
1. How do you know Poch wants to buy Lo Celso and Ndombele?
2. How do you know whether Poch believes a player is worth a certain value? Is that his job!
3. Do you really know how spending, targets and purchases are conducted within the THFC hierarchy?
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Of course this is all speculative, I think you're missing my point mate. This is a fan forum where 99% of things discussed are based on speculation but without doing so the forum would probably cease to exist.

I don't know Pochettino wants to buy Lo Celso or Ndombele but the general consensus seems to lean towards us being keen. Both Lo Celso and Ndombele have spoken about us as a club so I would sway towards the notion that they are of interest to us.

Even if they weren't however the point would still stand and that would be that whenever Levy is asked to sign a player for a large fee, he is within his rights to ask why we don't have the required systems in place to have acquired this player prior to his inflated fee.

Ajax for example signed Davinson Sanchez for €5m 12 months before we signed him for a rumoured £40m. That's pretty much 10x more what we could have got him for 12 months earlier so if that was me and my money I'd ask why we either a) wasn't aware of him back when Ajax got him or b) if we were aware of him, why did we choose to say no only to say yes 1 year down the line at 10x the asking price.

I'm not saying Levy should be a dick about it or dig his heels in, I'm just saying that a chairman that doesn't think that way wouldn't be doing his due diligence to ensure the club had the right kind of growth processes required to ensure a positive trajectory as time goes on.

It's all speculative mate, it's a fans football forum and anyone posting on here suggesting otherwise I find hard to believe. It's a private matter for the club but as a fan I'm allowed to speculate about what may or should go on as much as the next mans entitled to.
 
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Airfixx said:
I'd rather PEA stayed, they blew their entire budget on a winger and neglected their shitty back 6/7....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/Woolwich/top-scorers

31 goals and 7 assists last season. If PEA goes Woolwich are ruined.
He's 30 and has already had 7 clubs. Highly likely he takes a move to China.
No top defender is joining Woolwich any time soon.
 
Expect the transfer activity for all clubs to accelerate once players and Management back in training. However we must have a plan B if it looks like a transfer target will not happen. Doing nothing to replace Dembele is not an option. Our Bench at times last season was much too weak and recruits are needed.
 
pipes said:
Do you know that we weren’t in for them last summer? Maybe we enquired and we’re told to piss off. Maybe we got quoted a price we agreed but the players decided against it.

And this argument you make happens all the time. How much would we have asked for Kane when he was spitting on himself after missing a penalty compared to after his first big season a year later? Dele wasn’t only worth £5m after his first year.

Player prices go up when they do well. Isn’t this obvious?
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As stated in my comment just now mate, it's all speculative, it's a fans football forum. I know as much about us being in for them last summer as you know if we weren't. It's all speculative at this level, most things are be it on this site or working at Skysports news these days.

Player prices go up yes but equally they also go down if they fail to reach the required heights (see Janssen, Nkoudou, Milinkovic-Savic etc as prime example,es of this also).

It's all speculative but as I asked before IF we are in for Lo Celso and Ndombele and IF we are being quoted a combined £140m for the both of them and IF you were chairman of THFC would you ask the question of why you are being asked to spend £140m on 2 players that could have been acquired for £32m 12 months ago? That's really the point I'm making based on all speculative goings on pal
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
And to answer your question, the reason why Man City have won the PL 4 timeim the last 6 years is because they have owners who have so much money that they don't need business acumen. They have given Man City over £1.2bn to get to where they are, that is a hugely rare thing to occur and skews realistic methods and ways 99.99% clubs in football need to adhere to.

The fact of the matter is our clubs business model is closer to that of the Boltons, Coventry's and Leeds Inited of this world (Woolwich as well sadly) than it is to that of the PSGs, Man City's etc. We spend within our means and that's how football should be but unfortunately isn't due to the greed within the game. We are one of the very few clubs with no over inflated value or in the pockets of our owners. We are a hugely self sufficient football club who rely on skill from top to bottom more than reckless spending. We should be proud of that although very few seem to be. What happens when Abramovic decides to sell up at Chelsea? Do you think he will write of £1bn of money loaned and owed to him or expect it back? Short term solutions usually lead to long term problems mate, hence why Levy is right to manage our finances accordingly.
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When you are at the top you need the best if you want to improve. You could ask didn’t Liverpool buy VVD when he was at Celtic.

We could buy 2-3 players we think are good enough and they fail and then struggle to sell. By contrast Ndombele and Lo Celso are very low risk players who could push quickly for first XI.

It looks like we might get Ndombele for quite a bit of money but he could quickly be one of our best players and worth more than we paid for him. Yes we spend without our means but we have TV money, CL, big stadium, our means is not what it was and the market is not what it was. It doesn’t mean all our signings will be elite, hence we are linked with Clarke but we won’t be operating with such austerity as perhaps previous certainly if we are getting Ndombele.
 
Perryman said:
Man City are puppets of a medieval regime. You can still get sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dabhi.
But who cares,,,our clubs will take anyone’s money.
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Park Lane Mark Twain said:
As stated in my comment just now mate, it's all speculative, it's a fans football forum. I know as much about us being in for them last summer as you know if we weren't. It's all speculative at this level, most things are be it on this site or working at Skysports news these days.

Player prices go up yes but equally they also go down if they fail to reach the required heights (see Janssen, Nkoudou, Milinkovic-Savic etc as prime example,es of this also).

It's all speculative but as I asked before IF we are in for Lo Celso and Ndombele and IF we are being quoted a combined £140m for the both of them and IF you were chairman of THFC would you ask the question of why you are being asked to spend £140m on 2 players that could have been acquired for £32m 12 months ago? That's really the point I'm making based on all speculative goings on pal
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You mentioned Milinkovic-Savic there which prompted me thinking he was hot property last summer but doesn’t rate many mentions this summer really.
 
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