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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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sammyspurs said:
The Sammy summer was preceded by the Moura January though. He was just an early summer signing.
And the 18/19 season we “signed no one” guess who scored the hat trick which gave us the moment you all want a gold statue of Poch put up for....?

That's right, the guy we apparently didn’t buy because we didn’t buy anyone.

That’s the fallacy about the 18 summer window you all like to ignore.

Here’s a more balanced and sensible view from that summer

Tottenham: Are we sure... Lucas Moura isn't a summer signing?

The 'Spurs failed to sign a player' narrative grows old, but do Lucas Moura's performances now render it irrelevant?
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My point wasn't about the Sammy-summer, Sammy! Thanks for the correction about Moura. Slipped my mind in my haste to shut RomanzoCriminale RomanzoCriminale up.

But as you will notice my main point of that post still stands and that is that it was very questionable as to whether or not money existed or was available to use. And even if it was DL had no intention to use it.

Now, We've already had a back and forth about the Sammy summer and I'm not getting back into it with you. I won, you lost (as usual) so deal with it. :mourfinger::mourlmao: Now go back to entertaining me and hammering these other folks in here.
 
Five said:
www.theguardian.com

As United and Madrid doors close on Pochettino, what now for him at Spurs?

The manager faces a tricky-looking summer of restructuring with money tight and he may have lost leverage with Daniel Levy
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“I have very clear ideas of what we need to do,” Pochettino said. “We are going to talk next week to create the new project. It is a little bit up to Daniel and the club to agree with us. If we want to be real contenders for big trophies, we need to review a little bit the thing.”

Pochettino has never adequately explained what he wanted from Levy. It was easy to conclude that signings to strengthen the squad were at the top of his list but there were other things, including a desire for outgoing player business to be completed quickly in order to provide more room for manoeuvre on the market.

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Eriksen is in his 10th season as a professional but he is only 27 – his breakthrough came at Ajax in 2009‑10 – and, in Levy’s eyes, he is lavishly valuable. The chairman has let it be known that he would cost £130m, which has drawn the usual rueful smiles, although not from Eriksen. If this were not Levy, the position would be unbelievable. But this is Levy. Eriksen faces a complicated summer.

#Levynomics

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Jesus christ that was last summer. 130M FFS!!!! He must have been trying to force his hand to sign even though he'd known for a year at that point. Wonder what his price was the summer before when CE really wanted to leave.

And it's interesting that Poch wanted the dross out early that DL had been dragging his feet on. As I said, he had no intention on buying players the summer before.
 
todd1882 said:
Is that a good faith question Stanley or did your recent graduation come from Airfixx U? I'm sensing it is not in good faith.

I do not have to supply a reliable article as your statement is not a claim I have made so I need not support your red herring. In fact, the bolded part of your post above supports the only claim I made ie that he was priced out of a deal by his account and journalists.

So I ask Stanley, are all your questions going to be "my-point-adjacent" from here on out or in the future are you actually going to comment directly on anything I said...or just leave it? No one is twisting your arm.
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It's in good faith!

Here's the part of your text that caused my reaction:

"There was an article about a meeting with Poch and CE where CE mentioned his desire to leave that summer and that he was NOT going to renew but DL priced him out of a move. Surely if your desire is to bring in players and there was money available you move this player on so he doesn't get into his last year like what happened."

Now, this leads me to believe you make the claim that DL was the reason he didn't get sold that year. Again this interpretation is in good faith, not trying to twist your words.

This same claim was made last year as well (I don't remember by who) and then I tried to do an objective investigation wether or not DL actually refused a formal, decent bid from a club. This investigation led me, again in good faith, to believe no club had ever made an actual bid for Eriksen that we refused because we held out for an unrealistically high number. The general consensus at the time was that there was indeed no evidence that Eriksen didn't move because of us, but rather no club actually wanted him.

So when I asked you for an article that debunks my thinking, I was actually willing to listen and weigh up evidence you put forward that led you to believe "DL priced him out of a move". It's possible that I missed something or some confirmation bias did slip in during my research.

Sidenote: Let's please skip the condescending/derogatory part of debating, I can't force you to, but I'm asking nicely. I think you're an OK bloke and it's only a football forum, no need to make things personal.
 
todd1882 said:
Jesus christ that was last summer. 130M FFS!!!! He must have been trying to force his hand to sign even though he'd known for a year at that point. Wonder what his price was the summer before when CE really wanted to leave.

And it's interesting that Poch wanted the dross out early that DL had been dragging his feet on. As I said, he had no intention on buying players the summer before.
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I suppose he saw Liverpool fetch an initial fee of about £106m for Coutinho and Chelsea fetch something similar for Hazard and thought, "You know what? I'll have a bit of that." But to put a price tag like that on the head of someone who cannot create their own space?...Well, it only makes sense when you consider that his degree is in Land Economy and Economics.
 
bus-conductor said:
As opposed to taking it from our people trafficking and drug dealing side of things?
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It's a simple question. ENIC don't put their own money into the club, do they? The infrastructure was prioritised at the expense of the football team.

That's why Levy said:

“I understand, as I am a fan, clearly you want to win on the pitch, but we have been trying to look at this slightly differently, in that we want to make sure we ensure an infrastructure here to stand the test of time.”

“We could have easily spent more money on players,” said Mr Levy. “Who knows if that would have bought us more success or not . . . The right approach is to build from the bottom up. There is no quick fix to becoming a much more significant global club.”

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So, according to what you said to me earlier, we have been cutting corners in relation to the football team since 2009 in order to fund the new stadium.
 
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Five said:
I suppose he saw Liverpool fetch an initial fee of about £106m for Coutinho and Chelsea fetch something similar for Hazard and thought, "You know what? I'll have a bit of that." But to put a price tag like that on the head of someone who cannot create their own space?...Well, it only makes sense when you consider that his degree is in Land Economy and Economics.
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And of course, Europe's football clubs would never think of bidding much lower than the price quoted in the Daily Mail would they.
 
Stanley said:
It's in good faith!
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Ok, but that's what bus-conductor bus-conductor and Airfixx Airfixx say about every one of their gotcha questions. No probs though, I'll play.

Stanley said:
Now, this leads me to believe you make the claim that DL was the reason he didn't get sold that year. Again this interpretation is in good faith, not trying to twist your words.
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No, all I claim is that DL priced him too high. See RESPECT THE COCK RESPECT THE COCK 's post
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Stanley said:
This same claim was made last year as well (I don't remember by who) and then I tried to do an objective investigation wether or not DL actually refused a formal, decent bid from a club. This investigation led me, again in good faith, to believe no club had ever made an actual bid for Eriksen that we refused because we held out for an unrealistically high number. The general consensus at the time was that there was indeed no evidence that Eriksen didn't move because of us, but rather no club actually wanted him.
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Clubs first move is not a formal bid. They would know what price Levy wants by talking to intermediaries, etc. In that article it says 130M LAST SUMMER!!!!! I thought it was 80M which still would have been high. And the inference would be that no club wanted him at those prices...hense (h/t airfixx) the bolded part is correct and a restating of my claim of DL pricing him out of a move.

Stanley said:
So when I asked you for an article that debunks my thinking, I was actually willing to listen and weigh up evidence you put forward that led you to believe "DL priced him out of a move". It's possible that I missed something or some confirmation bias did slip in during my research.
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Placing an unrealistic number on a player IS pricing them out of a move. No bids need be made for that. If I offered you RESPECT THE COCK RESPECT THE COCK 's 'made turds' and wank spunk from WHL for 500M you would pass on it without even a counteroffer because from 500M no reasonable counter would be seen as anything other than derisory. Now if I dropped it to 5 pounds perhaps you would be interested. Can't say and to each there own.

Stanley said:
Sidenote: Let's please skip the condescending/derogatory part of debating, I can't force you to, but I'm asking nicely. I think you're an OK bloke and it's only a football forum, no need to make things personal.
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Stanley, two days in a row you've had questions not directly pertaining to my point and both have been in service of a narrative. Neither has felt in good faith though you say this one is and I take you at your word. But when you ask me to provide info/support for claims I have not made it is not conversational but adversarial. I can play equally well in either sandbox.
 
bus-conductor said:
I doubt you will, but that won't stop the forum's own Donny Rumsfeld pretending it's one of the great known unknowns.
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It's frustrating honestly, I (try to) limit myself to debating claims that can be proven or disproven, not feelings regarding players/coaches/management because everyone should have a right to have an opinion.

But making false claims against my club really bothers me. And when they are disproven, they divert the topic, turn things personal or just ignore it, and restate the claim the following week anyway.

Whilst the majority of this forum is about talking about the thing we love, or laughing about things we all get, that part of this forum is soooo tiresome sometimes.
 
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