who’s paying £17m for Aurier?
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who’s paying £17m for Aurier?
Possibly. If I was club working with Spurs on other transfers I would certainly inquire after Ndombele given the circumstances, but this may just be kicking the tires as opposed to genuine interest.
17m Zim Dollars
Looking through this thread, my two favorites stories people like to tell themselves are:
1) Lo Celso worked his way into the team when it was actually completely due to injuries to the squad and Mourinho basically refused to play him for 6 weeks. There was even rumors the club wouldn't exercise his clause in January.
2) That Ndombele struggled for match time under Poch when he actually started 7/12 league matches and played in another 3, as well as all 4 champions league matches.
The narrative around Lo Celso and Ndombele has so far outstretched any of the actual facts of this past season that it's almost like two entirely different discussions based on what people say happened and what actually happened.
1) Lo Celso worked his way into the team when it was actually completely due to injuries to the squad and Mourinho basically refused to play him for 6 weeks. There was even rumors the club wouldn't exercise his clause in January.
2) That Ndombele struggled for match time under Poch when he actually started 7/12 league matches and played in another 3, as well as all 4 champions league matches.
The narrative around Lo Celso and Ndombele has so far outstretched any of the actual facts of this past season that it's almost like two entirely different discussions based on what people say happened and what actually happened.
The most talented players in the world are creative and able to do things even very good players cannot. Imposing too much structure on them will sap out the creative genius that makes them so special to begin with.
The key is to have enough structure to support discipline (especially on defence), but enough freedom to make the most of the creative talent that is there.
I am not sure that a young creative genius will have the right opportunities to develop and show his talent to the fullest under Mourinho. Players like Ronaldo and Ramos were already established super stars when Jose started managing them, and they clashed but succeeded together. He helped to organize them but they had enough of a reputation and enough backing from their club that they still felt enough freedom to do great things.
Pogba was already a star when Jose managed him, but not at the level of the other two I mentioned. I like Jose, but Pogba is a special talent that can do special things and managing his play like he is a regular player doesn’t make any sense. Pogba can make magic happen anytime, anywhere. The kid has that something special. Mourinho wanted to box him into what Mourinho wanted him to be. Bad fit for Pogba! If Paul were my son, I would have been pushing him to leave ASAP!
The best managers to manage that kind of talent are Zidane and Ancelotti, IMO.
I am not sure Tanguy can work well under Jose, but he can become a super star in the appropriate system and with a manager that gives him the proper freedom to be creative.
The key is to have enough structure to support discipline (especially on defence), but enough freedom to make the most of the creative talent that is there.
I am not sure that a young creative genius will have the right opportunities to develop and show his talent to the fullest under Mourinho. Players like Ronaldo and Ramos were already established super stars when Jose started managing them, and they clashed but succeeded together. He helped to organize them but they had enough of a reputation and enough backing from their club that they still felt enough freedom to do great things.
Pogba was already a star when Jose managed him, but not at the level of the other two I mentioned. I like Jose, but Pogba is a special talent that can do special things and managing his play like he is a regular player doesn’t make any sense. Pogba can make magic happen anytime, anywhere. The kid has that something special. Mourinho wanted to box him into what Mourinho wanted him to be. Bad fit for Pogba! If Paul were my son, I would have been pushing him to leave ASAP!
The best managers to manage that kind of talent are Zidane and Ancelotti, IMO.
I am not sure Tanguy can work well under Jose, but he can become a super star in the appropriate system and with a manager that gives him the proper freedom to be creative.
ter Stegen to Chelsea...I hope this doesn't happen...
Barca look to secure Ter Stegen future amid Chelsea and Bayern links
Barca look to secure Ter Stegen future amid Chelsea and Bayern links
This rumor could explain why we are linked to Brozovic
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Report: Inter and Brescia agree on Tonali | Football Italia
Inter are reportedly closing in on Sandro Tonali and have come to an agreement with Brescia regarding a loan with an obligation to buy. Corriere di Brescia claims the two clubs have agreed on an expensive loan deal with an obligation to buy the player for a total amount of â¬35m in 2021.
Yeah, maybe we want to keep him but him and his team want a move somewhere
I think it’s pretty clear his people are agitating for a move and that’s another black mark that Jose will hold against him.
Can we skip the middle man and just sign Tonali?This rumor could explain why we are linked to Brozovic
Report: Inter and Brescia agree on Tonali | Football Italia
Inter are reportedly closing in on Sandro Tonali and have come to an agreement with Brescia regarding a loan with an obligation to buy. Corriere di Brescia claims the two clubs have agreed on an expensive loan deal with an obligation to buy the player for a total amount of â¬35m in 2021.
My friend, Ramos was a RB before working under Jose. In Mourinho´s second season at Madrid he became a left CB, changed his career and became one of the best players in the world.
Also, you forgot to mention Ozil, Di Maria and Khedira - all under 22 and not "established super stars" at all when they started to work under Jose.
The same could be said about Carvalho, Deco, Lampard, Robben, Drogba, Varane, Benzema, Higuain, Matic, Willian and many other players that became superstars after being developed by Jose - and not before that.
Oh, and yes, Ronaldo was already a super star. The difference was that he went from 28 goals to 40 goals in Jose´s first season. And then he went from 40 goals to 46 goals in Jose´s second season.
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Everton probably would
Jose said publicly "I don't know what to do with him" (paraphrasing); yet who remains a starter at the end of season despite Dele, Lamela, Gedson & Ndombele on the bench.....?
....Gio won him over.
He was also rather dismissive of him at times in the media and was more than happy to sub him off:
- Completed 90mins in the league just twice under Poch just twice (3 times all year!).
- Taken off at half time in the horror-show at Brighton.
- Off at 60mins vs both Bayern & Olympiakos.
Tanguy Ndombélé - Stats 22/23
Player stats of Tanguy Ndombélé (SSC Neapel) ➤ Goals ➤ Assists ➤ Matches played ➤ All performance data
I think you're dead wrong about #1, but #2... People are highlighing this these facts as a way of dismissing the idea that Ndombele has merely suffered at the hands of a vendetta from Jose. To dismiss those factors above along with pretending their weren't injury AND basic fitness issues is as disingenuous as you are suggesting others of being.
He was cut from his youth team for being out of shape, Poch commented this year when he got here that he wasn't fit enough and then Jose commented on it as well.
I know people will ignore Jose's comments so that it fits with their narrative but that is 3 different times, with 3 different management teams when his fitness has been questioned, I think that should be enough to show it is a problem, especially when it shows in his body weight as well.
As for his laziness during his play I am not sure how anyone can't see it. He has rarely played a full 90 and looks spent in the limited minutes he gets. It goes well beyond the one youtube clip and has been present every time I have watched, there are always plays I wondered why he was so slow and just watched guys go by.
With his supposed talent it is based on a a very limited sample size. He was in Lyon for 1.5 seasons. And even when you look back on that time it seems the majority of his praise comes from the City tie in the CL. He doesn't have a long track record of being awesome or dominant. Maybe people are using his Ligue 2 time with Amiens as evidence but really he does not have much of a history of showing these supposed great skills, he certainly hasn't done anything at Spurs that is impressive or indicative that he is a talented player that people should build around.
If he had been brought in as a free I doubt there is much talk about him based on his play here, but because he had so much hype people want to think that he is some talented player rather than look at what he actually offers, which is not much at all.
Why do people think Tanguy is the only player in the world that can help us?
I get it, he has talent. And it will suck if he doesn't work out here. I would prefer him to stay and earn his spot in the starting XI and become what we all thought he would be. However, there is CLEARLY something up with him. I don't think it's fair to label him as lazy or whatever because we don't know everything going on in his life or within the club. But there is no denying there is some sort of issue with his fitness. He wasn't fit when Poch was here. He got injured. And he still isn't fit despite several months off.
There are just a lot of signs pointing towards him being a bust here. Everyone complains about Levy waiting too long to sell a player and I think holding onto him out of pride would be that same mistake happening again. If we can get a solid fee for him or a swap deal like the Inter rumors, we should take it. But people seem hellbent on making Ndombele work here. I don't get it. He isn't the only good player in Europe. We can sell him for a small loss and move on. It happens to every club sometimes. Cutting ties now is better than another season of never ending drama and his value plummeting below 20m.
I get it, he has talent. And it will suck if he doesn't work out here. I would prefer him to stay and earn his spot in the starting XI and become what we all thought he would be. However, there is CLEARLY something up with him. I don't think it's fair to label him as lazy or whatever because we don't know everything going on in his life or within the club. But there is no denying there is some sort of issue with his fitness. He wasn't fit when Poch was here. He got injured. And he still isn't fit despite several months off.
There are just a lot of signs pointing towards him being a bust here. Everyone complains about Levy waiting too long to sell a player and I think holding onto him out of pride would be that same mistake happening again. If we can get a solid fee for him or a swap deal like the Inter rumors, we should take it. But people seem hellbent on making Ndombele work here. I don't get it. He isn't the only good player in Europe. We can sell him for a small loss and move on. It happens to every club sometimes. Cutting ties now is better than another season of never ending drama and his value plummeting below 20m.
Would be funny if we end up not signing any players from Lille despite being linked to their entire squad throughout the last few months.