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Liverpool spent 70m of their Coutinho money on Virgil and won things .

How did we do with the Bale money?
And how did Coutinho turn out for Barca? Or Keita turn out for Liverpool? Or Pepe for Woolwich? The point is that spending 100 million on a player does not always guarantee success. Even if it is a very established player. PSG bought Neymar and Mbappe for crazy amounts and brought in Messi on huge wages. The purpose being to win the CL. Yet, even though these players performed at levels commensurate with their fees, PSG still haven't managed to win the CL and have gotten to exactly the same number of finals as us.

As for the Bale money, we did get a 100 million player in Eriksen (the fact we didn't sell him at his peak, is a different story), some serviceable players in Chadli, Capoue, and Lamela, and a few duds in Paulinho, Chiriches, and Soldado. Interestingly enough, Soldado was considered the big signing at the time. His fee was the equivalent of 60m in today's money. Yet he flopped completely.

Which goes back to the point we have all be harping about, both the "Levy out" and the "I'm fine with Levy" brigades: it's not about how much you pay, it's how good you are at identifying the right players regardless of the price. Something that no team in the world has a 100% hit rate on, with us probably being among the worst.
 
If we're buying players to keep Kane happy, then no one at the club has learned a lesson from the past 4-5 years.

We should be aiming to build an exciting team, play in certain style, and establish a footballing philosophy that will transcend managers and players. If that's enough to keep Kane, great. If not, adios.
I certainly agree with you even though you are answering to my post.

The point is if the club are unwilling to sell Kane with 1 year left in his contract, it’s clear that they are doing everything in their power to keep him. It doesn’t make much financial sense not cashing in possibly anywhere between 70 - 100m this window if they didn’t think they can keep him beyond next season.

I am only stating what I think the clubs intends to do with potential signings in that they go beyond the impact on the pitch but also increasing the chances Kane stays.

But I agree with you 100%. Let’s establish an ethos, build something that has genuine potential for the future and if you want to play for Spurs, great! If not, bye.
 
I certainly agree with you even though you are answering to my post.

The point is if the club are unwilling to sell Kane with 1 year left in his contract, it’s clear that they are doing everything in their power to keep him. It doesn’t make much financial sense not cashing in possibly anywhere between 70 - 100m this window if they didn’t think they can keep him beyond next season.

I am only stating what I think the clubs intends to do with potential signings in that they go beyond the impact on the pitch but also increasing the chances Kane stays.

But I agree with you 100%. Let’s establish an ethos, build something that has genuine potential for the future and if you want to play for Spurs, great! If not, bye.
I still have this feeling that ENIC will sell up when Kane goes.

Sell him for £100m, but it’d cost £150m+ to replace him and everything else he does. Plus the gamble of having to hope it pays off.

One last season of hoping we win something, an Carabao Cup, FA Cup… just to say they had. Then sell up.


I could be miles off, but with all the gossip about talks with Saudi and Qatar, it just seems a possibility.
 
He's certainly not an upgrade on prime Lloris, but he's definitely an upgrade on a declined Lloris.

Hugo has been a fantastic servant to us over the last decade, but all good things come to an end.
I don't think you can compare the two. He's a different type of goalkeeper. Lloris may be the better shot-stopper, but Raya is so much better with his feet, which is more important in today's game than it was when we bought Lloris.
 
I still have this feeling that ENIC will sell up when Kane goes.

Sell him for £100m, but it’d cost £150m+ to replace him and everything else he does. Plus the gamble of having to hope it pays off.

One last season of hoping we win something, an Carabao Cup, FA Cup… just to say they had. Then sell up.


I could be miles off, but with all the gossip about talks with Saudi and Qatar, it just seems a possibility.

I dunno about the Kane stuff, but I've heard a few pundits say look out for whoever doesn't buy United to then turn their attention to us.
 
There’s not going to be a bidding war. I doubt if Bayern and/or Barca are remotely interested in him at all. This is just his agent trying to get some schmuck like us to cough up 20m thinking we’ve got a fucking bargain, when we’ve overpaid by about 15m because he’s fucking meh.
Nope, I am a Fiorentina fan and Barca have been genuinely interested in him since January as have Atleti.

I think he wants the Barca move but due to FPP reasons, that may not materialize.

Possibility he stays at Fiorentina also.
 
I don't think you can compare the two. He's a different type of goalkeeper. Lloris may be the better shot-stopper, but Raya is so much better with his feet, which is more important in today's game than it was when we bought Lloris.
I'd have to disagree there mate. They're both goalkeepers, so you're not exactly comparing apples with oranges. They may have different attributes, with Raya's ability with his feet being an important trait in today's game, but ultimately they are there to prevent goals and, in his prime, Hugo was one of the top 5 in the World. Some of the saves he made were absolutely gobsmacking. I don't see that in Raya, though I do think he's a very good keeper.

Ability to pass, in a keeper, doesn't net you points. Being able to pull off worldies on a regular basis does.

Hugo's problem is that the Worldies are fewer and further between, being offset by far more mistakes in his game than previously.
 
I certainly agree with you even though you are answering to my post.

The point is if the club are unwilling to sell Kane with 1 year left in his contract, it’s clear that they are doing everything in their power to keep him. It doesn’t make much financial sense not cashing in possibly anywhere between 70 - 100m this window if they didn’t think they can keep him beyond next season.

I am only stating what I think the clubs intends to do with potential signings in that they go beyond the impact on the pitch but also increasing the chances Kane stays.

But I agree with you 100%. Let’s establish an ethos, build something that has genuine potential for the future and if you want to play for Spurs, great! If not, bye.
My guess is that club is taking a gamble that Ange will have us flying by the end of next season, which is what would convince Kane to sign an extension. And if they are taking this gamble, then they should be buying players that fit Ange's style of play and mentality to a tee. If those players happen to be Maguire and other "friends" of Kane, that would be an added incentive for him to stay. But I do not think that the club will twist itself into a pretzel trying to identify the right player that also happens to be Kane's buddy. If he is, great. If not, he will still be acquired. And if he is not the right player that in no way fits into Ange's system, he will not be bought.

Basically, what players Kane would like to play with is irrelevant, unless they fit into Ange's plans.
 
And how did Coutinho turn out for Barca? Or Keita turn out for Liverpool? Or Pepe for Woolwich? The point is that spending 100 million on a player does not always guarantee success. Even if it is a very established player. PSG bought Neymar and Mbappe for crazy amounts and brought in Messi on huge wages. The purpose being to win the CL. Yet, even though these players performed at levels commensurate with their fees, PSG still haven't managed to win the CL and have gotten to exactly the same number of finals as us.

As for the Bale money, we did get a 100 million player in Eriksen (the fact we didn't sell him at his peak, is a different story), some serviceable players in Chadli, Capoue, and Lamela, and a few duds in Paulinho, Chiriches, and Soldado. Interestingly enough, Soldado was considered the big signing at the time. His fee was the equivalent of 60m in today's money. Yet he flopped completely.

Which goes back to the point we have all be harping about, both the "Levy out" and the "I'm fine with Levy" brigades: it's not about how much you pay, it's how good you are at identifying the right players regardless of the price. Something that no team in the world has a 100% hit rate on, with us probably being among the worst.
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I'd have to disagree there mate. They're both goalkeepers, so you're not exactly comparing apples with oranges. They may have different attributes, with Raya's ability with his feet being an important trait in today's game, but ultimately they are there to prevent goals and, in his prime, Hugo was one of the top 5 in the World. Some of the saves he made were absolutely gobsmacking. I don't see that in Raya, though I do think he's a very good keeper.

Ability to pass, in a keeper, doesn't net you points. Being able to pull off worldies on a regular basis does.

Hugo's problem is that the Worldies are fewer and further between, being offset by far more mistakes in his game than previously.
If you have a good defensive setup, you can get away with a goalkeeper that doesn't pull off as many worldies. For example, would you put Raya on par with Ederson?
 
If you have a good defensive setup, you can get away with a goalkeeper that doesn't pull off as many worldies. For example, would you put Raya on par with Ederson?
No, Emerson is top drawer.

Hugo had one of the best defensive set up's in the league in his prime. That is when the Worldies come into play. He contributed as much, if not more, to our win ratio than as any other member of that defence.

Look, I rate Raya, I just don't rate him as highly as prime Hugo, who was superb.

I still want him to replace Hugo though, as I think he's better than current Hugo and will get better.
 
I’d rather have that than become PSG Nord and be run by a bunch of duplicitous Qataris who bribed UEFA and FIFA officials and committed human rights abuses in staging the World Cup but others will twerk for their first Community Shield in more than a generation.
Even if you know that means you never win anything?

It’s pretty much certain that we won’t see another British owned club win the Prem
 
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