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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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FightingIllini said:
The big hammer is the ability to ban ESL players from participation with their national teams and thereby the World Cup.

Keeping the LIV golfers out of majors was that same leverage point.

The next ESL either needs FIFA's blessing (always available for the right price), or needs to have allies extensive enough to essentially re-launch the World Cup under its own aegis. The former seems the likelier, but FIFA views the ESL as a threat to its authority and rightly so.
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...And the PGA caved within 6 months and - in all but name - sold themselves to the Saudis. FIFA will be no more staunch in their defiance when push comes to shove.
 
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To Dare Is To Do. said:
It won't be on the understanding he will be a back up, because he would back himself to start over VdV. Bundesliga experts who followed both him and VdV closely last year, rate Tapsoba higher (and hence his price is also significantly more).
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What if we brought in VDV on the understanding that whilst ongoing team selection will be on merit, he would start immediately (which he has) and the place would be his to lose. Then you want to sign Tapsoba, even if he also expects to start, and potentially thereby piss VDV off only a couple of weeks after him joining? That would be a very stupid thing to do.

I don't know if that's the understanding VDV has, but it could be. You certainly don't know that it isn't. My point is that the above scenario is perfectly plausible, and makes signing Tapsoba now an unwise thing to do if it's true.
 
reachingforthestars said:
Where do you have that 60 fee from? If Tapsoba was truly available for 60m I think we would have come up with an acceptable financial package. Leverkusen are likely asking for something around 100m, and whilst some around here would call that ambition, I would call it stupid
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Never seen anything credible quoting a price tbh....... 60m just seems to be a fan guess-timation that appears to have gained traction.
 
FightingIllini said:
You don't think Maddison-Bissouma-Eze is viable?

I feel like we don't have a sense of that yet.

Maddison is a real midfielder, he's not just some flighty trequartista, though maybe he's best deployed with that kind of brief.
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Honestly no, he goes missing too often in games and is not a box to box midfielder who also doesnt have a DEF side to his game. This part gets over looked due to the moments of good attacking play he does.
 
Airfixx said:
I'd rather we spend according to our bank balance, rather than that of another club.

Besides; you insisted that net spend was flawed a few days ago........... Yet the moment we get a significant incoming fee; net spend is king again? Mate; that's some bogus moves, right there.................
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It's not bogus- let me explain.

Net spend over the past 5 years as a way of comparing clubs can be flawed, because net spend in previous years could influence the value. But the extent to which it is a flaw depends on the the discrepancy in the previous years.

So for example if: Club A and Club B had similar net spend from 2018-2023, but Club A had net spend of 200m more than Club B from 2013-2018; looking at the net spend between just 2018-2023 as a comparator would be very flawed.
But if Clubs A and B had similar net spend from 2013-2018; looking at 2018-2023 in would not be as flawed.

tldr Net spend is not always a very flawed measure- our low net spend from 2013-2018 made it majorly so for the 2018-2023 comparisons. That doesn't really apply to my point here, comparing our net spend in this window to Woolwich's.
 
DeadlyDefoe said:
Who says he will sit on the bench, he is the more accomplished than VDV in terms of experience and game time in a top European league (Dont get me wrong i like VDN and he was very good in his debut)

Secondly Eze plays in Maddison's position , Maddison all day long above eze, Maddison in terms of goals and assists being only 1 yr older than Eze, blows him out the water!!!

Bentancur replace Skipp as the more DEF minded holding player, for me Sarr is above skipanyway, Eze is purely an attack minded player like Maddison... and you can forget Eze instead of Boss Man BISSUOMA
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All fair points and if we were in Europe I would agree with you, but the fact is we aren't and there just aren't enough games for a 3 CB rotation. I don't think that does anyone any good.

I don't view it as Eze or Maddison. I view it Maddison next to Eze. Both Maddison and Eze have experience playing a deeper role. If Emerson is going to be our RB, we need more from our CM alongside Maddison. Both Skipp and Sarr haven't shown they have the attacking capabilities yet. I think it would be unfair to think Bentancur comes back in and hits the ground running straight away and even him, outside of last year, doesn't have a history of contributing offensively.

We also don't have anyone to backup Maddison. Lo Celso had a nice preseason but certainly you can't put too much stock in him and I still think we'd sell for the right price.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
It won't be on the understanding he will be a back up, because he would back himself to start over VdV. Bundesliga experts who followed both him and VdV closely last year, rate Tapsoba higher (and hence his price is also significantly more).
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It doesn't matter whether he will back himself or not. He simply will not sign for the club unless he is told he is first choice. And he won't be told that.
VDV has been told that and Romero knows that he is first choice.
 
Airfixx said:
...And the PGA caved within 6 months and - in all but name - sold themselves to the Saudis. FIFA will be no less staunch in their defiance when push comes to shove.
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The PGA only controlled one of the four majors, was the thing.

I dunno, we'll see.

The chances that the European Super League already happened in the form of the new CL, and that proves more durable than many suspect are underrated.

Also, FIFA is trying to establish its own ESL-type operation in the Club World Cup. There's dirty money flowing in all different directions.

The ESL conspirators came for the whole enchilada and missed, badly. The football world is very large, they will need a much bigger army next time if they want to try again. I'm not sure the Florentino Perez' and Andrea Agnelli's of the world are the Masters of the Football Universe they fancy themselves.
 
scarletjim said:
What if we brought in VDV on the understanding that whilst ongoing team selection will be on merit, he would start immediately (which he has) and the place would be his to lose. Then you want to sign Tapsoba, even if he also expects to start, and potentially thereby piss VDV off only a couple of weeks after him joining? That would be a very stupid thing to do.

I don't know if that's the understanding VDV has, but it could be. You certainly don't know that it isn't. My point is that the above scenario is perfectly plausible, and makes signing Tapsoba now an unwise thing to do if it's true.
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If you sign for a top club, you should always expect to be competing against other top players to keep your place in the team.

And again, I don't think 3 CBs competing for 2 spots is anything unusual. I would prefer the selection headache of keeping good players happy compared to relying on Dier/Sanchez if we have any injuries.
 
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