Assuming you have identified the right ones and you can lure them to join. But even then, there's a learning curve to Ange's system that is more challenging for established players compared to young ones. So it's not a given by any stretch.
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Wait until we lose, the place will implode !
Almost 100% same to my thoughts. Before signing Solanke I said this window is 2/10.
All for investing into future/youth. But we also need IMPROVEMENT RIGHT NOW.
If we just bring in kids (and fuck me, Bergvall, Gray, Odobert ARE kids), we are just recreating this "almost there" mentality.
Kids come in -> they don't have enough leaders and role models from who to learn from and to compete with -> they do not become as good as they could in environment that would be.
We needed three players in their prime (or even experienced players) - ST, sharp winger and CM. We've got ST. And that is also only new face in the EPL opener starting XI. It is not enough.
Only thing I strongly disagree with is using ManU as positive example. de Ligt is medicore defender who was kept out by de Vrij in Nethelands national team and by ERIC fcking DIER in Bayern. I'll make a prediction that he will either leave for third rate club at the end of the contract, or will be sold in 2-3 years time for 30% of what ManU paid now. ManU is just brainlessly brining Ten Hag his previous Ajax players with 95-mil-eur Anthony being the prime example. Nothing to use as positive example in here.
You're assuming that in those 3-4 years we'll be standing still. Next window will probably see another first XI player or two and another 2-3 youngsters that will develop. Over the course of these 3-4 years, even losing 1-2 starters, you'll have a much better team and squad.
Majority of Fans live and die by the very next game, they’re sick of being a joke to rival clubs, and that pressure has turned internally. I’d argue the last 5 years are pretty demonstrative of the damage of what happens when you act on a short term strategy. We’ve done nothing but regress, and lost our greatest goalscorer on top of that.
People don’t want to hear context, they don’t want to give Postecoglou any margins to fix it, they want Levy gone and instant gratification.
Would there be more patience if this rebuild happened under new ownership? Possibly. Yet it doesn’t matter. Having Jose & Conte and winning nothing with either has broken a sizeable amount of us.
You might want to tell him that, because it looks like he's clueless.
And you have to decide, is it Ange's tactics or the way Levy is running the club? Should we sign players and tell Ange "hey, mate, we got you quality players. Now adjust your fucking tactics." Or do we trust the manager and get him the player profile he wants?
As far as I can tell, Ange is getting the players he wants. So we either bin him, because he's not asking for the players you want, or we just stick it out and trust that he knows what the fuck he's doing.
Armchair quarterbacks the lot of you. You all think you know better with less than 1% of the information the manager and club have.
Booing in the stadium isn't a protest ffs lmao
It's like moaning about McDonald's prices and food but still giving them your money to sit in the restaurant and boo the waiters.
the infighting here around transfer windows puts West Side Story to shame. If we could only add musical numbers it might be slightly more tolerable
Supporting a football club can be hard enough as it is (a loss equals anything from a bad day to week, depending on your emotional investment), so the last thing anyone needs is to be told "only genuine fans believe or support this" or "you need more patience". Both of those opinions can be true in your world, but it doesn't mean they have to be true in someone else's. Unfortunately it's a snapshot of some of the issues with the wider world, so it's not a surprise to see them surface here around a common denominator, that being that you all support the same football club.
If we could only try and remember that's what ties us together, in this forum at least, and encourage all forms of opinion whilst trying to respect what that might entail (without betraying your own) then those musical numbers might flow after all.
Or just call each other cunts and shout into the ether.
Supporting a football club can be hard enough as it is (a loss equals anything from a bad day to week, depending on your emotional investment), so the last thing anyone needs is to be told "only genuine fans believe or support this" or "you need more patience". Both of those opinions can be true in your world, but it doesn't mean they have to be true in someone else's. Unfortunately it's a snapshot of some of the issues with the wider world, so it's not a surprise to see them surface here around a common denominator, that being that you all support the same football club.
If we could only try and remember that's what ties us together, in this forum at least, and encourage all forms of opinion whilst trying to respect what that might entail (without betraying your own) then those musical numbers might flow after all.
Or just call each other cunts and shout into the ether.
Fair post. Personally it doesnt bother me what other fans think. Football bantz is so bloody childish, i just switch off. I just want a team to challenge, one where you're looking forward to the next game and there is some excitement with what they might achieve even if they ultimately fall short.
Only real enjoyable periods over the last 5 seasons were that 2 or 3 months under Conte and the first 10 of last season, although even that felt like a house built on sand imo.
You're right i think there would be more patience under new owners if they came in and said this club should be challenging for the title and prioritised the football side. Maybe its not fair on Postecoglou and this squad but until something fundamentally changes at this club then i think there will be a lot of pissed off fans. I think you called it Levy fatique the other day and that sums it up. Its just a feeling of going round in circles.
Fuck me Dan, your clearly not "a lad from the streets " like many of us if, your McDonald's has waiters.Booing in the stadium isn't a protest ffs lmao
It's like moaning about McDonald's prices and food but still giving them your money to sit in the restaurant and boo the waiters.
It is 1 game, because it's a different team, different manager, different approach to the past 5 years.
I don’t expect us to win the league, but I expect to qualify for Europe.
Do that and take the Europa seriously and go for it and I will be a happy boy.
My issue with Monday was we had a pre season where Kulu was in form, Mikey Moore was doing the business, Bergvall looked good, Lankshear was amongst the goals. Then first game of the season we’re starting players that haven’t even had a pre season game, Kulu can’t get a start and we needed Bentancurs injury and the subsequent time out to get our shape and fluidity back.
I’m certain if we had started Kulu he would have bagged, he was the in form forward and he loves a streak
Do that and take the Europa seriously and go for it and I will be a happy boy.
My issue with Monday was we had a pre season where Kulu was in form, Mikey Moore was doing the business, Bergvall looked good, Lankshear was amongst the goals. Then first game of the season we’re starting players that haven’t even had a pre season game, Kulu can’t get a start and we needed Bentancurs injury and the subsequent time out to get our shape and fluidity back.
I’m certain if we had started Kulu he would have bagged, he was the in form forward and he loves a streak
agreed...Son getting pelters playing out of position. Son needs to play off Solanke centrally - Can't believe Dingo Wucker (Ange) can't see that
That’s well below the belt mentioning that fuckwit!!
Its also the most counter productive way to improve performance.
Spreading negativity doesn’t make the team play any better IMHO.
The thing is that we're operating under a completely different model the past season or two. And we're starting a rebuild that should have happened a long time ago. So going back 10 or even 3-4 years is literally apples and oranges.
It's like The Walking Dead.
Rebuild < period of optimism < everything turns to shit < repeat
Rebuild < period of optimism < everything turns to shit < repeat
I fcuking hate it when there is this equation that because we get knocked out of Europe or a Cup competition, it's because we haven't taken it seriously. Absolute nonsense. Not been good enough.
It's a bizarre thread.
As fans I think we are right to want to compete, to be pleased at buying pootential but right to wonder and worry about the short term. Both sentiments can exist at the same time.
Any notion of entitlement is mostly rubbish, as is the expectation we can usurp the City juggernaut. We can't even get close to Woolwich in my view. Different level to us.
But anyone who thinks we have the players who will model excellence and a winning mentality to our younger players is just wildly optimistic or living in cloud cuckoo land. As long as those gaps and the accompanying lows are acceptable to that crowd then fine. I am not happy and will make my frustrations clear but with the necessary considerations as I see them.
We need more experience. Simple.
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But this shows how blinkered some people are and how they refuse to objectively assess what is going on. The exact same approach we're taking now under new ownership would be seen as progress. But because it's under the Levy regime, it's seen as inadequate. People's agendas have more weight than what is actually going on. I guess it's human, but doesn't mean it's valid.