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Posted this over in the Ange thread, but might as well stick it in here too, with a few added metrics for good measure.

Ange did something that I don’t remember another coach doing at City yesterday and I have been calling for someone to try for a few seasons. I’ve heard lots of pundits and reports call our performance “brilliant” but so far, I’ve not read anyone identify why it was brilliant, tactically, they’ve mostly just spouted the usual football geezer cliches.

Up until we took the lead, City were dominating the ball and pitch. Then we scored in the 13th minute. What normally happens then is we (or any away side at City) would normally then shell into a deep and desperate block and pray to get out our half a couple more times.

But from the 14th minute to the 53rd when we scored our 3rd, we actually had 54% of the ball, and were pressing them in middle/higher areas, it’s how we got the second goal.


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I’ve given Ange stick for his selections recently, and I’m not giving him much credit for bringing in Bissouma yesterday, because I’m not sure if he would have played him if Bentancur hadn't been suspended, but bringing Maddison back and moving Sarr over to R8 (and pushing Kulusevski back up to RF) was a great call and was pivotal with us being able to actually have more possession in that period. Maddison was all over the place and constantly dropping deep and helping us play through City's press in deeper areas too (which admittedly wasn't as good as it would be with Rodri in it). For that middle chunk of game our midfield (with the right balance) was able to compete with theirs. This highlights the importance of both Bissouma and Maddison in that:




I think Ange deserves a lot of credit for the way we played yesterday from 13-60 minutes - that was as proactive as I've seen any team be (along with Klopp's best Liverpool) away at Guardiola's City and earned us 3 goals, and once 3-0 up we defended very well.

The team selections married the tactics and the resulting performance was outstanding. Certainly the best by any Spurs manager at ManC during the Guardiola era - even caveating with their current form dip.
 
Up until we took the lead, City were dominating the ball and pitch. Then we scored in the 13th minute. What normally happens then is we (or any away side at City) would normally then shell into a deep and desperate block and pray to get out our half a couple more times.

But from the 14th minute to the 53rd when we scored our 3rd, we actually had 54% of the ball, and were pressing them in middle/higher areas, it’s how we got the second goal.
I didn't watch the Bournemouth v City game so don't know what the ebb and flow of that game was. But I think the reason that in previous season teams that have managed to get in front of City in a game would probably find that they CAN'T get out because of their insane pressing, fitness levels and technical ability. I reckon now they have a massive hole in the middle of the park, tired bodies getting injuries and an aging squad profile they are more open to the possibility of being out worked by a younger fitter team. Probably 2 seasons ago if teams threw everything at that they were getting picked off?
 
I didn't watch the Bournemouth v City game so don't know what the ebb and flow of that game was. But I think the reason that in previous season teams that have managed to get in front of City in a game would probably find that they CAN'T get out because of their insane pressing, fitness levels and technical ability. I reckon now they have a massive hole in the middle of the park, tired bodies getting injuries and an aging squad profile they are more open to the possibility of being out worked by a younger fitter team. Probably 2 seasons ago if teams threw everything at that they were getting picked off?

As I said, Rodri missing definitely helps, but I've still not seen another team have a spell like we had between the 14th and 60th minute where we actually had more of the ball than them and didn't just bulk up, shell and break. Woolwich pretty much just bus parked the whole game - city ended up with 77% possession over the 90 - 57% v Spurs. From the time Woolwich were 2-1 up City had 87% possession, from the time we went 1-0 up to 3-0 up we had 54%.

Bournemouth was an away game, I was more referring to City home games, and Bournemouth is a tricky little place to go, but ManC still had more possession throughout and ended up with 65%.
 
As I said, Rodri missing definitely helps, but I've still not seen another team have a spell like we had between the 14th and 60th minute where we actually had more of the ball than them and didn't just bulk up, shell and break. Woolwich pretty much just bus parked the whole game - city ended up with 77% possession over the 90 - 57% v Spurs. From the time Woolwich were 2-1 up City had 87% possession, from the time we went 1-0 up to 3-0 up we had 54%.

Bournemouth was an away game, I was more referring to City home games, and Bournemouth is a tricky little place to go, but ManC still had more possession throughout and ended up with 65%.
Yeah, that's all fair enough, I thought you were saying teams should have been going at them rather than protecting a lead for the past 2 or 3 seasons. Just think it's quite different now to 2 or 3 season ago.
 
Yeah, that's all fair enough, I thought you were saying teams should have been going at them rather than protecting a lead for the past 2 or 3 seasons. Just think it's quite different now to 2 or 3 season ago.

Yer but no but.

What I have been saying for a while is, I would like to see teams good enough, or well enough coached, to try a more aggressive approach with City occasionally, it could/would tactically cause them problems as they are pretty much designed to play the bus park. Like Palace did with us, not so much going all out high crazy press, but a really smart combo of high/medium press, then dropping if necessary. We did this for 13-60 minutes and it worked.

It definitely helps that they were missing Rodri, and we had a proper midfield 3, not Kulusevski in there (though Kulusevski is more conducive to ball retention in forward areas than Johnson, so that move was a double benefit that strengthened two both areas).
 
Yeah, that's all fair enough, I thought you were saying teams should have been going at them rather than protecting a lead for the past 2 or 3 seasons. Just think it's quite different now to 2 or 3 season ago.

Just to add, what I haven’t seen away at City in the PL is a team have such a successful sustained spell of pressing city and playing through City’s press as we did for that 50 minute spell.

I’ve seen a couple that f teams do it there in the CL(RBL and Lyon with Ndombele, but neither won or were as successful doing it.
 

How Tottenham created the space for James Maddison’s signature move​

Ahmed Walid
The moment James Maddison darted into space to score his first goal against Manchester City on Saturday felt familiar.

Under Ange Postecoglou, Tottenham Hotspur’s attacking patterns have been clear — from narrow full-backs adding unpredictability in the final third, to timely roams of their No 8s creating overloads on one side of the pitch and the winger-to-winger goalscoring move which complements their passing combinations in the wide areas.

Maddison attacking space in the opponent’s defensive line when Spurs are attacking down their right side is another.

The England midfielder’s well-timed runs put him in the right position at the right time, but the movement of his team-mates create the space in the first place.

Maddison’s runs behind are usually complemented by an opposite movement from Tottenham’s centre-forward to manipulate the opponent’s defensive line.

Here, against Everton, Son Heung-min is in that central role, with Dejan Kulusevski and Maddison as the No 8s. As Spurs attack down their right…

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… Son drops to present himself as a passing option between the lines, which forces Everton’s defence to react. Meanwhile, Maddison is making a run in the other direction to catch out the rest of the visitors’ defensive line, which is being stretched in two different directions.

Cristian Romero’s looped pass finds Maddison behind the Everton defence…

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…but his shot is saved by Jordan Pickford.

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The positioning of Tottenham’s wingers under Postecoglou means the opposition’s full-backs are constantly occupied, which prevents them from supporting their centre-backs to defend Maddison’s runs from midfield.

These runs have been part of Spurs’ attack since the beginning of last season, Postecoglou’s first as their head coach. In this example, from the Australian’s third Premier League match against Bournemouth that August, Yves Bissouma is supporting Tottenham’s right wing, while Richarlison is positioned towards that side and being marked by Lloyd Kelly.

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As the attack progresses, Richarlison moves away from Kelly and drops deeper. Bissouma then plays the ball to Pape Sarr, with Maddison readying himself to attack the space from the other side.

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The movement of Bissouma and the positioning of Richarlison grabs the attention of Bournemouth’s centre-backs, Kelly and Illia Zabarnyi, and with Son pinning the right-back, Sarr manages to find Maddison’s run behind the defence…

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…and he scores the game’s first goal.

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In another example, away to Aston Villa in March, Kulusevski and Pedro Porro are combining down the right while Sarr, Son and Maddison are occupying the back three.

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Once Kulusevski and Porro perform a one-two that gets them past their markers, Son drops to drag Clement Lenglet out of position and Sarr attacks the central space to put Pau Torres in a difficult situation.

If Torres, Villa’s left centre-back, moves with Sarr, Kulusevski can dribble into the vacated space, and if he holds his position, the Senegal midfielder can freely attack the central area.

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Torres chooses the second option and his attempt to block Kulusevski’s pass is nearly successful, but the ball deflects towards the right wing, where Sarr manages to collect it.

The importance of Sarr’s central movement in the first place is to force Ezri Konsa into a situation where he has to defend either him or Maddison.

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Despite Tottenham’s move being sidetracked by Torres’ deflection, Konsa moves towards Sarr before trying to return to his initial position, which slightly distances him from Maddison.

As Sarr controls the ball down the right wing, Maddison surges forward to attack the central space…

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… and connects with the midfielder’s cross…

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… to score yet another goal from one of his midfield runs.

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The reason Maddison’s first goal at the Etihad on Saturday felt familiar is because his run and the movement of his team-mates have become one of Tottenham’s favoured attacking solutions under Postecoglou.

In the build-up, Porro makes an underlapping run after Kulusevski controls Radu Dragusin’s long pass. The right-back’s movement grabs the attention of Manuel Akanji, leaving John Stones as the sole centre-back up against Dominic Solankewith Kyle Walker focusing on Son.

As customary when Spurs are attacking down their right, Maddison makes a late run into the box to provide them with an additional attacking option.

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Ilkay Gundogan signals for Stones or Walker to pick up Maddison’s run, but the problem for City is their defenders have been dragged in other directions — Son’s wide positioning prevents Walker from being in place to cover that central area, and Solanke holding his position instead of making a run forces Stones to react late in fear of Kulusevski finding the centre-forward in space.

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The result is Stones being in between Solanke and Maddison, and not in position to defend the latter’s run. In addition, Maddison has an advantage because he is attacking the cross with the momentum of the run, while Stones is still trying to adjust his body shape from a near-static position.

Kulusevski then finds Maddison with a cross towards the far post…

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… and he scores from close range.

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In search of consistent positive performances, Maddison’s late runs from midfield could come in handy for Tottenham in their upcoming matches.
 
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