The Case for Steven Gerrard

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Please read before dismissing!

I've made no bones about my desire for him to be manager, so here, I lay out my case:

Time at Rangers
Gerrard took over at the start of the 2018-19 season. Points differences between Celtic and Rangers over the seasons:

2017-18 - Celtic 12 pts
Gerrard joins
2018-19 - Celtic 9 pts
2019-20 - Celtic 13 pts* (having played 1 game fewer)
2020-21 - Rangers 20 pts ahead with 3 games to go

Furthermore, in the few years before he joined, these had been some of the results in the Old Firm:

Celtic 5-0 Rangers
Celtic 4-0 Rangers
Rangers 1-5 Celtic
Celtic 5-1 Rangers

Since he joined, Rangers' heaviest defeat to Celtic has been 2-0. His record v Celtic has been:

P 11
W 6
D 1
L 4

Put simply, he has taken a club that had developed a massive inferiority complex v their rivals to getting the better of them, beating them in games and beating them to the title.

Furthermore, he took Rangers into the last 16 of the EL. Neither Celtic nor Rangers usually gets out of the group stage.

Outsized Impact as a Player
Gerrard won almost every trophy going in his career, despite not being as lucky as Lampard - or other players with whom he is often compared - to be surrounded by other world class players for most of it.

2005 CL final - scores the crucial goal v Olympiakos; scores 2 in the final to get Lpool over the line
2006 FA Cup final - scores 2 worldies, including one in injury time, to drag the game into ET and eventually pens; he scores his pen (of course) in the shootout. Lpool win the FA Cup
2007 CL SF - scores in the shootout
2008 CL QF - scores a late penalty to knock out Woolwich
2009 PL - the main engine behind Lpool's first title challenge in years
2014 PL - will always be remembered for the slip, but without him, Lpool would not have been close.

In the Gerrard v Lampard v Scholes debate, it is Gerrard 10/10 for me.

Put is this way, if you replace Lampard with Gerrard in that Chelsea team from 2005 to 15, do Chelsea win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES.

If you replace Scholes with Gerrard in the Man U team from 2000 to 2012, do United win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES

If you replace Gerrard with Scholes or Lampard from 2001 to 2015, do Liverpool win as many trophies? NO

The greats of football lift those around them to heights thought impossible (it's why Maradona will always, always, always be regarded more highly, especially in Argentina, than Messi), and Gerrard is one such football great.

Ruthlessness
Our club is full of babies. As per the Athletic article: they moaned that Mourinho didn't train them hard enough; they moaned that Poch trained them too hard.

They've seen off the best manager in our modern history and a manager, whatever his flaws, who won a title as recently as 6 years ago and a European trophy just 4 years ago.

Many things need to change at the club, and the players are one of them, and I believe Gerrard wouldn't tolerate losers and babies like Rose, Winks and Dele, and he'd look to move on trash like Sissoko, Aurier, Sanchez and Davies.

Look at him here from 7:44:

This was in his first few months at Rangers. He set the tone and the standard, and although at the time, some said he was a bull in a china shop... who questions him now?

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So, that's my case in a nutshell.

tl;dr we need a winner who will change the mentality of the club, and I believe Steve Gerrard is the man.
 
Please read before dismissing!

I've made no bones about my desire for him to be manager, so here, I lay out my case:

Time at Rangers
Gerrard took over at the start of the 2018-19 season. Points differences between Celtic and Rangers over the seasons:

2017-18 - Celtic 12 pts
Gerrard joins
2018-19 - Celtic 9 pts
2019-20 - Celtic 13 pts* (having played 1 game fewer)
2020-21 - Rangers 20 pts ahead with 3 games to go

Furthermore, in the few years before he joined, these had been some of the results in the Old Firm:

Celtic 5-0 Rangers
Celtic 4-0 Rangers
Rangers 1-5 Celtic
Celtic 5-1 Rangers

Since he joined, Rangers' heaviest defeat to Celtic has been 2-0. His record v Celtic has been:

P 11
W 6
D 1
L 4

Put simply, he has taken a club that had developed a massive inferiority complex v their rivals to getting the better of them, beating them in games and beating them to the title.

Furthermore, he took Rangers into the last 16 of the EL. Neither Celtic nor Rangers usually gets out of the group stage.

Outsized Impact as a Player
Gerrard won almost every trophy going in his career, despite not being as lucky as Lampard - or other players with whom he is often compared - to be surrounded by other world class players for most of it.

2005 CL final - scores the crucial goal v Olympiakos; scores 2 in the final to get Lpool over the line
2006 FA Cup final - scores 2 worldies, including one in injury time, to drag the game into ET and eventually pens; he scores his pen (of course) in the shootout. Lpool win the FA Cup
2007 CL SF - scores in the shootout
2008 CL QF - scores a late penalty to knock out Woolwich
2009 PL - the main engine behind Lpool's first title challenge in years
2014 PL - will always be remembered for the slip, but without him, Lpool would not have been close.

In the Gerrard v Lampard v Scholes debate, it is Gerrard 10/10 for me.

Put is this way, if you replace Lampard with Gerrard in that Chelsea team from 2005 to 15, do Chelsea win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES.

If you replace Scholes with Gerrard in the Man U team from 2000 to 2012, do United win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES

If you replace Gerrard with Scholes or Lampard from 2001 to 2015, do Liverpool win as many trophies? NO

The greats of football lift those around them to heights thought impossible (it's why Maradona will always, always, always be regarded more highly, especially in Argentina, than Messi), and Gerrard is one such football great.

Ruthlessness
Our club is full of babies. As per the Athletic article: they moaned that Mourinho didn't train them hard enough; they moaned that Poch trained them too hard.

They've seen off the best manager in our modern history and a manager, whatever his flaws, who won a title as recently as 6 years ago and a European trophy just 4 years ago.

Many things need to change at the club, and the players are one of them, and I believe Gerrard wouldn't tolerate losers and babies like Rose, Winks and Dele, and he'd look to move on trash like Sissoko, Aurier, Sanchez and Davies.

Look at him here from 7:44:

This was in his first few months at Rangers. He set the tone and the standard, and although at the time, some said he was a bull in a china shop... who questions him now?

---

So, that's my case in a nutshell.

tl;dr we need a winner who will change the mentality of the club, and I believe Steve Gerrard is the man.

He was an excellent player granted but his managerial experience in the Scottish league has no credibility and in any case we would just be a stepping stone for him to get back to his beloved Dippers where they can understand him!
 
I do believe the biggest issue with Gerrard is it's not only conceivable, but I'd even say probable, that he would jump to Liverpool within 2 years. Klopp is not going to be long-term manager (from this point) and Gerrard will be target no. 1 for them.

I actually rate him as a manager, but there's too much downside with a quick move when we need a rebuild.
 
I do believe the biggest issue with Gerrard is it's not only conceivable, but I'd even say probable, that he would jump to Liverpool within 2 years. Klopp is not going to be long-term manager (from this point) and Gerrard will be target no. 1 for them.

I actually rate him as a manager, but there's too much downside with a quick move when we need a rebuild.
At least that's a considered and reasonable response... unlike the other, moronic replies.
 
Tell you what, had we brought him in for Jose we might actually get a bounce and get top 4 and possibly win the cup.

He can leave in year 2 when we will be begging Poch to come back!
 
Pass

Looking at him as a manager:

Rangers have done better but not really any less than expected as one of only two teams in a two team league. He has had them at 2, 2 and now 1st. Which isn't much different than what you would expect from any manager of Rangers.

During that time they also had poor Cup results and mediocre European results as well.

He has never been a manager or assistant manger anywhere else, has shown zero indication he can rebuild a team, zero indication he can win with a team with lesser financial power than his competitors, zero indication that he can adapt when things aren't going well.

As a person:

He is a life long Liverpool player who was involved with some of the most despicable teams in the PL era, loves and is loved by arguably the most disgusting fans in sports, is a out and out cunt and would run back to Liverpool the minute they asked him to come back.

There is zero reason from a managerial or personal perspective to want this prick anywhere close to our club.
 
Pass

Looking at him as a manager:

Rangers have done better but not really any less than expected as one of only two teams in a two team league. He has had them at 2, 2 and now 1st. Which isn't much different than what you would expect from any manager of Rangers.

During that time they also had poor Cup results and mediocre European results as well.

He has never been a manager or assistant manger anywhere else, has shown zero indication he can rebuild a team, zero indication he can win with a team with lesser financial power than his competitors, zero indication that he can adapt when things aren't going well.

As a person:

He is a life long Liverpool player who was involved with some of the most despicable teams in the PL era, loves and is loved by arguably the most disgusting fans in sports, is a out and out cunt and would run back to Liverpool the minute they asked him to come back.

There is zero reason from a managerial or personal perspective to want this prick anywhere close to our club.
I don't think you realise how far behind Celtic, Rangers were, and, as I said, they had a mental block in games against them - a block that he cleared.

Poor cup results and mediocre in Europe? They went out of the League Cup in injury time and out of the Scottish Cup on penalties; they topped their group in Europe and beat Anderlecht 9-5.

Zero indication that he can adapt when things aren't going well? He ended Celtic's domination and brought to an end a horrendous set of results v them.

As a person: I don't give a shit tbh. He hasn't done anything too bad. Dived a bit? So what.
 
I don't think you realise how far behind Celtic, Rangers were, and, as I said, they had a mental block in games against them - a block that he cleared.

Poor cup results and mediocre in Europe? They went out of the League Cup in injury time and out of the Scottish Cup on penalties; they topped their group in Europe and beat Anderlecht 9-5.

Zero indication that he can adapt when things aren't going well? He ended Celtic's domination and brought to an end a horrendous set of results v them.

As a person: I don't give a shit tbh. He hasn't done anything too bad. Dived a bit? So what.

Yes I do understand how "far" they were behind and they had one great year this year while Celtic were melting down. It was a fine year, but nothing about it shows that Gerrard was some master tactician or that he is likely to take that to have similar success at another club.

And yes his Cup performances have been poor in the 3 years he has been there. They are lightyears better than every club in Scotland other than Celtic and rarely made it to the finals in any domestic cup. In fact with their superior depth and talent that should be easy for them. Going out fairly early in Europa League to weak teams isn't impressive either.
 
Please read before dismissing!

I've made no bones about my desire for him to be manager, so here, I lay out my case:

Time at Rangers
Gerrard took over at the start of the 2018-19 season. Points differences between Celtic and Rangers over the seasons:

2017-18 - Celtic 12 pts
Gerrard joins
2018-19 - Celtic 9 pts
2019-20 - Celtic 13 pts* (having played 1 game fewer)
2020-21 - Rangers 20 pts ahead with 3 games to go

Furthermore, in the few years before he joined, these had been some of the results in the Old Firm:

Celtic 5-0 Rangers
Celtic 4-0 Rangers
Rangers 1-5 Celtic
Celtic 5-1 Rangers

Since he joined, Rangers' heaviest defeat to Celtic has been 2-0. His record v Celtic has been:

P 11
W 6
D 1
L 4

Put simply, he has taken a club that had developed a massive inferiority complex v their rivals to getting the better of them, beating them in games and beating them to the title.

Furthermore, he took Rangers into the last 16 of the EL. Neither Celtic nor Rangers usually gets out of the group stage.

Outsized Impact as a Player
Gerrard won almost every trophy going in his career, despite not being as lucky as Lampard - or other players with whom he is often compared - to be surrounded by other world class players for most of it.

2005 CL final - scores the crucial goal v Olympiakos; scores 2 in the final to get Lpool over the line
2006 FA Cup final - scores 2 worldies, including one in injury time, to drag the game into ET and eventually pens; he scores his pen (of course) in the shootout. Lpool win the FA Cup
2007 CL SF - scores in the shootout
2008 CL QF - scores a late penalty to knock out Woolwich
2009 PL - the main engine behind Lpool's first title challenge in years
2014 PL - will always be remembered for the slip, but without him, Lpool would not have been close.

In the Gerrard v Lampard v Scholes debate, it is Gerrard 10/10 for me.

Put is this way, if you replace Lampard with Gerrard in that Chelsea team from 2005 to 15, do Chelsea win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES.

If you replace Scholes with Gerrard in the Man U team from 2000 to 2012, do United win just as many, if not more, trophies? YES

If you replace Gerrard with Scholes or Lampard from 2001 to 2015, do Liverpool win as many trophies? NO

The greats of football lift those around them to heights thought impossible (it's why Maradona will always, always, always be regarded more highly, especially in Argentina, than Messi), and Gerrard is one such football great.

Ruthlessness
Our club is full of babies. As per the Athletic article: they moaned that Mourinho didn't train them hard enough; they moaned that Poch trained them too hard.

They've seen off the best manager in our modern history and a manager, whatever his flaws, who won a title as recently as 6 years ago and a European trophy just 4 years ago.

Many things need to change at the club, and the players are one of them, and I believe Gerrard wouldn't tolerate losers and babies like Rose, Winks and Dele, and he'd look to move on trash like Sissoko, Aurier, Sanchez and Davies.

Look at him here from 7:44:

This was in his first few months at Rangers. He set the tone and the standard, and although at the time, some said he was a bull in a china shop... who questions him now?

---

So, that's my case in a nutshell.

tl;dr we need a winner who will change the mentality of the club, and I believe Steve Gerrard is the man.


I think he'll become a top manager down the line, but not right now or anytime soon. He's done well at Rangers for sure, but it wasn't that long ago quite an amount of Rangers fans were wanting him gone.
 
Well the treatment we would get from the media would be a change for a start, but just imagine what would happen if we sack him. We would be the paria for all those scouse cunts, even more than already.
 
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