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Good post DeeGee
And add in the 40M Newham council loan to the money wasted.

Would that be the 40m that was sanctioned by the Mayor of Newham Sir Robin Wales ( West Ham season ticket holder ) ?
What's dodgy about that? seems perfectly fair.. Lets face it, no one could make use of £40m in that area.. Everyone has everything they need.. Would only be sitting there wasting away had West Ham not put it to good use.
 
Fuckin' 'ell, it's DaveBoy Trotter, "this time next year Dave, we'll be bwillionaires"

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Mihi Bose, writing in Insider Football (the profits that the Porn Barrons make if, sorry when, they sell on are fucking obscene):

Mihir Bose: West Ham deal exposes the moral vacuum at the heart of UK politics
15th April 2016
Olympic_stadium.jpeg



The great gift the London Legacy Development Corporation, chaired by Boris Johnson, has given West Ham football club is the sort of gift that makes the money that David Cameron’s mother gave him to help avoid inheritance tax look like chicken feed. It also exposes the fact that when it comes to the national game not only are our political masters grossly unfair, favouring some clubs while penalising the vast majority, but there is also a huge question of whether football has lost its moral compass.

The details of the deal finally revealed, due to the exemplary tenacity of football fans, should come as no surprise. Many of us suspected it, Barry Hearn has for more than two years been shouting from the rooftops that Hammers got amazing sweeteners and, in recent months, there have been media disclosures. Even then the details now confirmed take the breath away.

A rental of £2.5 million a year which works out to £100,000 a game for use of the 60,000-seater stadium. Okay, there will be more charges if they go beyond 25 games and the rent halves if they get relegated, £1.25 million if in the Championship. There are also performance related payments, £100,000 per season if West Ham finishes in the top half of the Premier League, additions if they win domestic cups or qualify for Europe and up to £1 million if they attain nirvana and win the Champions League. Even then this is a steal which, if offered in the rental housing market in London, would lead to a stampede.

The club does not pay for stewarding, goalposts, corner flags, cleaners, turnstile operators, undersoil heating and floodlighting, dugouts for managers, substitutes and the fourth official, changing rooms and toilets, security, cleaning and pest control which, according to experts consulted by the BBC, could amount to between £1.4 million and £2.5 million. The club will also not have to pay for policing on match days and will be the sole beneficiary of ticket sales.

But it is the elephant in the room, the great smoking gun in the deal: what happens should David Sullivan and his partner, David Gold, sell the club that, in many ways, is most fascinating. Should the club be sold in the next ten years for more than £125 million, remember when Sullivan and Gold bought it was valued at £105 million, London Legacy Development Corporation would get £12 million if the sale price was £250 million. In other words Messrs Gold and Sullivan, two private individuals, will sell an asset whose value has been boosted enormously by playing in a tax payer funded venue and pocket £133 million. The payment to LLDC goes up to £87 million if the sale price is £500 million but even then the profit for the two is colossal, £308 million. I do not blame Gold and Sullivan for the deal. I do not know about you but I would have taken this deal without a second thought. Forget the Panama Papers this is the real scandal and it has happened in the People’s Game.

And, of course, it bears out what Barry Hearn told me more nearly eight months ago. Then he revealed his discussion with Boris Johnson. Johnson had said that a percentage of any profits will be paid to the taxpayer but he had not disclosed what the percentage was. Hearn revealed to me that when Hearn, who then owned Leyton Orient, met Johnson, he told the Mayor:

“I’ll tell you something, if I am allowed to share and I ever sell Leyton Orient, every penny of profit will go back to the taxpayer.” He then went on to ask: “Have Gold and Sullivan made the same commitment?

The Olympic Stadium has added £100 million to the value of West Ham. It could be a most attractive purchase for a foreign buyer: a 54,000-seater stadium in an iconic building on the Olympic Park. The British taxpayer could end up funding a trophy asset for a Qatari.”

And that is exactly what has happened. Indeed I would not be surprised if a few years down the line we do not have in east London what we have had in the east of Manchester where, more than a decade and a half ago, another stadium built for a multi-game festival was also rented out to a club then in a grave situation both on and off the field. The rental had such a dramatic impact that the club is now foreign owned, has gone on to twice win the Premiership and could even win the Champions League. That club is Manchester City and the stadium is the one built for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.

The stadium had been constructed with public money: £78 million from Sport England and £49 million from Manchester Council. But the authorities, anxious not to have a white elephant on their hands after the games, decided the best option was to rent the 48,000 seat stadium to Manchester City. In return for that, Manchester City gave its historic ground, Maine Road, to the council. They also paid £15 million, the same amount West Ham are paying, to rip off the running track and convert the Commonwealth Games arena for football. But the best part was the outrageously favourable deal on the rent: a small yearly rent which only became substantial if more than 36,000 turned up for a match. This meant that the club paid between £1.4 million and £2.5 million a year in rent for seven years between 2003 and 2010, not much different to West Ham’s rental now. I know rental has gone up and City have spent a lot of money round the ground but the fact is City are playing in in this state-of-the-art stadium, which could have cost upwards of £400 million (Woolwich’s Emirates stadium cost £440 million). And playing in that stadium also helped sell the club to its wealthy owner.

As Francis Lee, who was then chairman, put it as City were about to win the 2012 title, the stadium deal revolutionised the club. “The new stadium made it attractive for people to buy into it.” And while Sheikh Mansour has never told the world why he bought City, indeed he has never talked to the media, as I have documented in my book, The Game Changer Thaksin Shinawatra, the disgraced Thai prime minister who sold it to the Sheikh, made it clear that not having to build a stadium helped him do the deal.

I can see the same thing happening to West Ham and good luck to Gold and Sullivan and, of course, Karen Brady who did the deal.

But that British politicians make such deals is the real disgrace. Politicians pontificate on how they are always looking for the common good. But where is the common good in this West Ham deal? Other clubs have to raise millions to build a new stadium, West Ham are virtually gifted one yet no one is consulted on the deal. In America when such deals are done there is a City wide referendum. Should we not have had one before the West Ham deal was done?

Also look at the political humbug. British politicians have gone on about the FIFA scandal. Yes, the scandal is dreadful and we do need a revolution on how FIFA and world football is run. But the FIFA scandal involves less money, around $250 million, compared to what has been spent on renovating the stadium so that West Ham can hire it. Is that not a scandal? And if it is not why? And if it is, as I think it is, what are we going to do about it? Will we hold Boris Johnson accountable? Don’t hold your breath.

What we need now is the 14 supporters trusts, who backed the amazing determination of the Charlton Athletic fan, to force the LLDC to reveal the details to form a sport-wide pressure group to make politicians realise that we need a fair, principled, policy on how the state handles football. We cannot continue on this basis where certain clubs, at certain moments, are gifted public money. And with no restriction to make sure they cannot profit from such aid. When it comes to keeping the steel plant at Port Talbot going with public money there is much debate, as there should be. Why are we not having that same debate when it comes to subsiding football clubs, one that will next year get at least £100 million in television money? More as this aid is given to one club and not to the entire industry. If this is British fairness then politicians have come up with a definition that none of us would accept.
 
Mihi Bose, writing in Insider Football (the profits that the Porn Barrons make if, sorry when, they sell on are fucking obscene):

Mihir Bose: West Ham deal exposes the moral vacuum at the heart of UK politics
15th April 2016
Olympic_stadium.jpeg



The great gift the London Legacy Development Corporation, chaired by Boris Johnson, has given West Ham football club is the sort of gift that makes the money that David Cameron’s mother gave him to help avoid inheritance tax look like chicken feed. It also exposes the fact that when it comes to the national game not only are our political masters grossly unfair, favouring some clubs while penalising the vast majority, but there is also a huge question of whether football has lost its moral compass.

The details of the deal finally revealed, due to the exemplary tenacity of football fans, should come as no surprise. Many of us suspected it, Barry Hearn has for more than two years been shouting from the rooftops that Hammers got amazing sweeteners and, in recent months, there have been media disclosures. Even then the details now confirmed take the breath away.

A rental of £2.5 million a year which works out to £100,000 a game for use of the 60,000-seater stadium. Okay, there will be more charges if they go beyond 25 games and the rent halves if they get relegated, £1.25 million if in the Championship. There are also performance related payments, £100,000 per season if West Ham finishes in the top half of the Premier League, additions if they win domestic cups or qualify for Europe and up to £1 million if they attain nirvana and win the Champions League. Even then this is a steal which, if offered in the rental housing market in London, would lead to a stampede.

The club does not pay for stewarding, goalposts, corner flags, cleaners, turnstile operators, undersoil heating and floodlighting, dugouts for managers, substitutes and the fourth official, changing rooms and toilets, security, cleaning and pest control which, according to experts consulted by the BBC, could amount to between £1.4 million and £2.5 million. The club will also not have to pay for policing on match days and will be the sole beneficiary of ticket sales.

But it is the elephant in the room, the great smoking gun in the deal: what happens should David Sullivan and his partner, David Gold, sell the club that, in many ways, is most fascinating. Should the club be sold in the next ten years for more than £125 million, remember when Sullivan and Gold bought it was valued at £105 million, London Legacy Development Corporation would get £12 million if the sale price was £250 million. In other words Messrs Gold and Sullivan, two private individuals, will sell an asset whose value has been boosted enormously by playing in a tax payer funded venue and pocket £133 million. The payment to LLDC goes up to £87 million if the sale price is £500 million but even then the profit for the two is colossal, £308 million. I do not blame Gold and Sullivan for the deal. I do not know about you but I would have taken this deal without a second thought. Forget the Panama Papers this is the real scandal and it has happened in the People’s Game.

And, of course, it bears out what Barry Hearn told me more nearly eight months ago. Then he revealed his discussion with Boris Johnson. Johnson had said that a percentage of any profits will be paid to the taxpayer but he had not disclosed what the percentage was. Hearn revealed to me that when Hearn, who then owned Leyton Orient, met Johnson, he told the Mayor:

“I’ll tell you something, if I am allowed to share and I ever sell Leyton Orient, every penny of profit will go back to the taxpayer.” He then went on to ask: “Have Gold and Sullivan made the same commitment?

The Olympic Stadium has added £100 million to the value of West Ham. It could be a most attractive purchase for a foreign buyer: a 54,000-seater stadium in an iconic building on the Olympic Park. The British taxpayer could end up funding a trophy asset for a Qatari.”

And that is exactly what has happened. Indeed I would not be surprised if a few years down the line we do not have in east London what we have had in the east of Manchester where, more than a decade and a half ago, another stadium built for a multi-game festival was also rented out to a club then in a grave situation both on and off the field. The rental had such a dramatic impact that the club is now foreign owned, has gone on to twice win the Premiership and could even win the Champions League. That club is Manchester City and the stadium is the one built for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.

The stadium had been constructed with public money: £78 million from Sport England and £49 million from Manchester Council. But the authorities, anxious not to have a white elephant on their hands after the games, decided the best option was to rent the 48,000 seat stadium to Manchester City. In return for that, Manchester City gave its historic ground, Maine Road, to the council. They also paid £15 million, the same amount West Ham are paying, to rip off the running track and convert the Commonwealth Games arena for football. But the best part was the outrageously favourable deal on the rent: a small yearly rent which only became substantial if more than 36,000 turned up for a match. This meant that the club paid between £1.4 million and £2.5 million a year in rent for seven years between 2003 and 2010, not much different to West Ham’s rental now. I know rental has gone up and City have spent a lot of money round the ground but the fact is City are playing in in this state-of-the-art stadium, which could have cost upwards of £400 million (Woolwich’s Emirates stadium cost £440 million). And playing in that stadium also helped sell the club to its wealthy owner.

As Francis Lee, who was then chairman, put it as City were about to win the 2012 title, the stadium deal revolutionised the club. “The new stadium made it attractive for people to buy into it.” And while Sheikh Mansour has never told the world why he bought City, indeed he has never talked to the media, as I have documented in my book, The Game Changer Thaksin Shinawatra, the disgraced Thai prime minister who sold it to the Sheikh, made it clear that not having to build a stadium helped him do the deal.

I can see the same thing happening to West Ham and good luck to Gold and Sullivan and, of course, Karen Brady who did the deal.

But that British politicians make such deals is the real disgrace. Politicians pontificate on how they are always looking for the common good. But where is the common good in this West Ham deal? Other clubs have to raise millions to build a new stadium, West Ham are virtually gifted one yet no one is consulted on the deal. In America when such deals are done there is a City wide referendum. Should we not have had one before the West Ham deal was done?

Also look at the political humbug. British politicians have gone on about the FIFA scandal. Yes, the scandal is dreadful and we do need a revolution on how FIFA and world football is run. But the FIFA scandal involves less money, around $250 million, compared to what has been spent on renovating the stadium so that West Ham can hire it. Is that not a scandal? And if it is not why? And if it is, as I think it is, what are we going to do about it? Will we hold Boris Johnson accountable? Don’t hold your breath.

What we need now is the 14 supporters trusts, who backed the amazing determination of the Charlton Athletic fan, to force the LLDC to reveal the details to form a sport-wide pressure group to make politicians realise that we need a fair, principled, policy on how the state handles football. We cannot continue on this basis where certain clubs, at certain moments, are gifted public money. And with no restriction to make sure they cannot profit from such aid. When it comes to keeping the steel plant at Port Talbot going with public money there is much debate, as there should be. Why are we not having that same debate when it comes to subsiding football clubs, one that will next year get at least £100 million in television money? More as this aid is given to one club and not to the entire industry. If this is British fairness then politicians have come up with a definition that none of us would accept.

That's all well and good and probably true but it is not a football stadium.. To make it close to being fit for football they have had to install Meccanno seating which has a very slight angle.. If you sit behind anyone who is 5ft 7 or above you will spend all game craning your neck to get a better view.
It's just plain horrible. They will sell all their season ticket allocation becasue (A) it's new and looks pretty from the shopped photo's and (B) because the season tickets are so cheap..
Lets judge when it comes to renewal time. How many will want a 2nd or 3rd season with such shit views?
It will be full of tourists who are not huge West ham fans but want to watch a cheap game of football.

The article claims it will put the value of the club up by £100m, so what that is still miles behind any of the big clubs.
We will have a proper state of the art stadium which is being designed to create a great atmosphere more importantly, we will own it.. How much will that put on our value???

All this bullshit about how this stadium will put them on a whole new level makes me laugh.. How will this put them on a whole new level? what money will they be making on season tickets of £99 ? even the more expensive ones are dirt cheap.. Where's the huge profit coming from?
Yes they will be slightly better off financially but they have given up a ground that created an atmosphere and could be a difficult place to visit, all for a giant birthday cake that looks nice from the created pictures.

Once the season starts there will be huge interest and Bert, Ernie and Miss Piggy will be claiming a massive victory but you wait and see how successful it is after the novelty has worn off.
 
sure, I wouldn't want to play in that stadium. But I have a real beef with the pathetic deal that LDDC negotiated on our behalf (us as tax payers). To pay 2.5 m per season, while the likes of you and I are paying for the fucking goalposts and policing, oh and when the bottom club gets 100m just for completing their fixtures - Barry Hearn is right - his dog could have negotiated a better deal.
 
sure, I wouldn't want to play in that stadium. But I have a real beef with the pathetic deal that LDDC negotiated on our behalf (us as tax payers). To pay 2.5 m per season, while the likes of you and I are paying for the fucking goalposts and policing, oh and when the bottom club gets 100m just for completing their fixtures - Barry Hearn is right - his dog could have negotiated a better deal.

Yes the deal is shite but when you think about all the other crap they spend our tax on then it doesn't surprise me.

The benefits they hand out to low life in this country is shameful and this is exactly the same, giving benefits to low life scum..
All under privilege people rely on hand outs and benefits, this is just another case of that.
 
Ultimately this really is not a "game changing" situation. The gate receipts alone mean feck all in real terms. Let's assume that after tax they are left with gate receipts of 30 million, so what when the TV money is 100 million for bottom place.

What is an issue is that it's a clear rinse of West Ham by Gold & Sullivan, two old men who loved West Ham so much they first bought Fucking Birmingham! They actually now own no real assets apart from the West Ham name which will be sold the moment the offer is big enough. Sad in so many ways

It's a clear rinse of the Tax Payer by Johnson and his mob including Tax Dodger Dave, did he not once say he was a West Ham fan by mistake ?

Our country has no moral compass left if this deal is allowed to stand. Its ludicrous. People are starving in this country, using food banks to get by, doctors are striking for a small percentage rises in pay. They don't build schools or hospitals, they don't commit additional millions towards cancer research..... No. They spend hundreds of millions on a stadium, then hundreds of millions more on converting the stadium to football ( despite promising this would not be the case ) and will now spend further millions on goal posts, coppers and under soil heating.

Welcome to Cameron's Britian. This must be the fairer country they were promising ?

The fact no one is rioting over this just shows how used to being fucked over we all are
 
Ultimately this really is not a "game changing" situation. The gate receipts alone mean feck all in real terms. Let's assume that after tax they are left with gate receipts of 30 million, so what when the TV money is 100 million for bottom place.

What is an issue is that it's a clear rinse of West Ham by Gold & Sullivan, two old men who loved West Ham so much they first bought Fucking Birmingham! They actually now own no real assets apart from the West Ham name which will be sold the moment the offer is big enough. Sad in so many ways

It's a clear rinse of the Tax Payer by Johnson and his mob including Tax Dodger Dave, did he not once say he was a West Ham fan by mistake ?

Our country has no moral compass left if this deal is allowed to stand. Its ludicrous. People are starving in this country, using food banks to get by, doctors are striking for a small percentage rises in pay. They don't build schools or hospitals, they don't commit additional millions towards cancer research..... No. They spend hundreds of millions on a stadium, then hundreds of millions more on converting the stadium to football ( despite promising this would not be the case ) and will now spend further millions on goal posts, coppers and under soil heating.

Welcome to Cameron's Britian. This must be the fairer country they were promising ?

The fact no one is rioting over this just shows how used to being fucked over we all are
Personally it looks like.. for want of a better term blackmail by West Ham's board. The government's goal was to maintain the Olympic legacy due the huge expense that it cost. Spurs would have knocked the stadium down, athletics alone would leave it empty and disused, West Ham new they were the only real option and were able to exploit the government - that's my take at least.
 
at on
Ultimately this really is not a "game changing" situation. The gate receipts alone mean feck all in real terms. Let's assume that after tax they are left with gate receipts of 30 million, so what when the TV money is 100 million for bottom place.

What is an issue is that it's a clear rinse of West Ham by Gold & Sullivan, two old men who loved West Ham so much they first bought Fucking Birmingham! They actually now own no real assets apart from the West Ham name which will be sold the moment the offer is big enough. Sad in so many ways

It's a clear rinse of the Tax Payer by Johnson and his mob including Tax Dodger Dave, did he not once say he was a West Ham fan by mistake ?

Our country has no moral compass left if this deal is allowed to stand. Its ludicrous. People are starving in this country, using food banks to get by, doctors are striking for a small percentage rises in pay. They don't build schools or hospitals, they don't commit additional millions towards cancer research..... No. They spend hundreds of millions on a stadium, then hundreds of millions more on converting the stadium to football ( despite promising this would not be the case ) and will now spend further millions on goal posts, coppers and under soil heating.

Welcome to Cameron's Britian. This must be the fairer country they were promising ?

The fact no one is rioting over this just shows how used to being fucked over we all are

at one time gold and Sullivan also owned shares in us too !!
 
In numbers: West Ham’s deal for the Olympic Stadium
In numbers: West Ham’s deal for the Olympic Stadium

£280m Original projected cost of the Olympic Stadium in the build-up to the 2012 Games

£701m Current projected total cost after conversion to allow for both football and athletics

£15m West Ham’s contribution to the stadium’s conversion

£40m Newham council’s contribution to the conversion costs

Two Newham’s ranking among London’s most deprived boroughs

10 Days per year in which Newham residents are given access under the deal

£2.5m West Ham’s annual rent provided the club remains in the Premier League

£1.25m West Ham’s basic annual rent should they be relegated to the Championsip

£6.5m per annum Amount West Ham currently pay their forward Dmitri Payet

£64m West Ham’s wage bill for the 2014-15 season, the last for which figures are available

£120.7m West Ham’s turnover in 2014-15

£10m per annum Value of the naming rights deal to the stadium that would in effect enable West Ham to move in rent free, based on Woolwich’s current deal for naming rights and shirt sponsorship

Unknown West Ham’s ongoing contribution to the stadium’s running costs

£1.8m West Ham’s estimated income per match day, assuming an average ticket price of £30

£25m Estimate income from West Ham’s deal to sell Upton Park to housing developers Gaillard

£2,616 Cost of “Boleyn Package” season ticket at the Olympic Stadium

£120,000 per annum Cost of an executive box in the new stadium

£289 Annual cost of cheapest season ticket

£99m Estimated broadcast income for the Premier League’s bottom side in 2016-17

£160m Estimated broadcast income for the Premier League champions in 2016-17
 
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